To pay or not to pay is the question
#16
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The sunk cost of the original fare is not relevant in the decision. The advantages of a business class seat, and the $1000 cost of it, don't change based on the original ticket price.
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The upgrade proposition is fixed but whether I should yank that additional sum out of my pocket, I wouldn't consider in a vacuum.
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Do it. It's the sort of thing you can throw money at and spare yourself the headache..and body ache. 15 hours is a long time.
And remember, it not JUST the seat you are getting with the upgrade. You are also getting shorter lines, LOUNGE access (likely with a shower), better meals, better treatment, earlier boarding and priority baggage. For a long trip like that, it's worth it and your state of mind and body will be much much improved which will improve your overall trip.
And remember, it not JUST the seat you are getting with the upgrade. You are also getting shorter lines, LOUNGE access (likely with a shower), better meals, better treatment, earlier boarding and priority baggage. For a long trip like that, it's worth it and your state of mind and body will be much much improved which will improve your overall trip.
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over on the Delta board, the conversation has come to more or less of a consensus that ~$1/minute is the “worth-it” threshold ... 15 hours is 900 minutes, and a lie-flat is clearly more desirable than domestic F, but as always the person who’s paying is the only one who can make the real value judgement
I'm sure some people would take a $10 saving on a 15hr flight if they had to stand the whole way, whilst others would pay an extra $1000 for regional jet FC on a 30min flight.
The only answer to all these questions is to read the benefits of J over Y or whatever COS we're talking about and decide how much you'd pay for that. If that is more than the airline is asking for an upgrade then it is worth it. If it's less then it isn't.
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I think it is. Imagine, at the time of booking, that you have the choice between $1,000 Y fare from SFO to LHR or a J fare for $3,000. You decide against booking the more expensive J fare. Fast forward to the week prior to departure. The airline offers you an upgrade offer $1,200 each way. That's not a good deal, it's paying $400 over what you originally thought to be too expensive. If however you're original fare was $300, then it is a much better deal...
#21
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Could not disagree more. The total cost of the product is what's in question here. The payment plan by which you get to that number only matters if you have cash flow issues, not if the total price is right/wrong.
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Since we’ve gone way off topic here.... both sides of the argument are right.
RATIONALLY, the sunk cost is irrelevant. It’s done, gone, should be forgotten. The only consideration SHOULD be whether the additional benefits of J over Y are equal to or greater than the additional cost today. This is really econ101 stuff.
BUT, we all know humans aren’t rational. We know we can be tricked into thinking we’re getting a better deal than we are, just because the upgrade offer is cheaper than the original fare we didn’t buy for whatever reason. Same is true vice-versa.
RATIONALLY, the sunk cost is irrelevant. It’s done, gone, should be forgotten. The only consideration SHOULD be whether the additional benefits of J over Y are equal to or greater than the additional cost today. This is really econ101 stuff.
BUT, we all know humans aren’t rational. We know we can be tricked into thinking we’re getting a better deal than we are, just because the upgrade offer is cheaper than the original fare we didn’t buy for whatever reason. Same is true vice-versa.
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Disagree that the "sunk cost" is irrelevant; you haven't consumed the product yet when making the decision so the total cost for the new "thing" vs the "sunk" for the old can still be a rational decision. If spending $2500 for J is a bad deal then it doesn't matter if you spend $1500 this week and $1000 next week. It is still a bad deal, just on a payment plan.
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Disagree that the "sunk cost" is irrelevant; you haven't consumed the product yet when making the decision so the total cost for the new "thing" vs the "sunk" for the old can still be a rational decision. If spending $2500 for J is a bad deal then it doesn't matter if you spend $1500 this week and $1000 next week. It is still a bad deal, just on a payment plan.
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Well, Ethiopian Airlines offers a bidding for upgrade and my original ticket qualified. I have made a bid and am waiting for their response. They charge by each segment.
caveats:
1. They might accept upgrading partial itinerary. I might not get upgraded EWR-ADD (17 hr) but might for the shorter ADD to JRO!
2. Wouldn't know seat selection if upgraded, until I board the flight (according to the airlines).
3. Don't know whether my "special meals" would be honored as I wouldn't know until later.
4. If I am accepted for the shorter flight, I wouldn't know whether I would qualify for the lounge access!
caveats:
1. They might accept upgrading partial itinerary. I might not get upgraded EWR-ADD (17 hr) but might for the shorter ADD to JRO!
2. Wouldn't know seat selection if upgraded, until I board the flight (according to the airlines).
3. Don't know whether my "special meals" would be honored as I wouldn't know until later.
4. If I am accepted for the shorter flight, I wouldn't know whether I would qualify for the lounge access!
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These are impossible questions to answer. Calculations such as $ per minute are even sillier, They are all subjective based on the personal financial and other circumstances of the passenger.
If $1,000 means that you will lose your house, then do not upgrade. If $1,000 is what you spend on a simple night out with friends, then it is worth it. If you are 5'4" in perfect health, this is a luxury. If you are 6'6" with bad back problems, it is closer to a necessity.
Only you can assess what $1,000 means to you and what kind of a premium you put on the specific hard and soft product involved.
If $1,000 means that you will lose your house, then do not upgrade. If $1,000 is what you spend on a simple night out with friends, then it is worth it. If you are 5'4" in perfect health, this is a luxury. If you are 6'6" with bad back problems, it is closer to a necessity.
Only you can assess what $1,000 means to you and what kind of a premium you put on the specific hard and soft product involved.
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I never understand these 'is it worth it' questions. The answer depends very much on your personal and financial circumstances. If you are swimming in cash and value comfort, go for it. If you are on benefits and can't sleep on a plane anyway, why bother? Only you can decide what is right for you. Personally I think $1,000 for a flat bed is a great deal.
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$1,000 for a comfirmed J seat a month before the flight is a pretty solid deal.
To me, this is worth more than the "would you upgrade for $X?" deals. Those offers are either in the form of a kiosk upgrade - after everyone else has selected seats - or even worse, at the gate, waiting for other people to board before you know whether you're headed for Y or J.
$1k for 15 hours is almost always going to be a hell-yeah from me, assuming we're talking about any kind of quality carrier. If I'm cash-strapped enough to make it an either/or proposition, I'd want the best rest prior to trekking/climbing. Slogging it home in Y wouldn't be as big of a deal to me.
To me, this is worth more than the "would you upgrade for $X?" deals. Those offers are either in the form of a kiosk upgrade - after everyone else has selected seats - or even worse, at the gate, waiting for other people to board before you know whether you're headed for Y or J.
$1k for 15 hours is almost always going to be a hell-yeah from me, assuming we're talking about any kind of quality carrier. If I'm cash-strapped enough to make it an either/or proposition, I'd want the best rest prior to trekking/climbing. Slogging it home in Y wouldn't be as big of a deal to me.
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Well, Ethiopian Airlines offers a bidding for upgrade and my original ticket qualified. I have made a bid and am waiting for their response. They charge by each segment.
caveats:
1. They might accept upgrading partial itinerary. I might not get upgraded EWR-ADD (17 hr) but might for the shorter ADD to JRO!
2. Wouldn't know seat selection if upgraded, until I board the flight (according to the airlines).
3. Don't know whether my "special meals" would be honored as I wouldn't know until later.
4. If I am accepted for the shorter flight, I wouldn't know whether I would qualify for the lounge access!
caveats:
1. They might accept upgrading partial itinerary. I might not get upgraded EWR-ADD (17 hr) but might for the shorter ADD to JRO!
2. Wouldn't know seat selection if upgraded, until I board the flight (according to the airlines).
3. Don't know whether my "special meals" would be honored as I wouldn't know until later.
4. If I am accepted for the shorter flight, I wouldn't know whether I would qualify for the lounge access!
Ethiopian - new online upgrade auction
However, to summarise your questions :
1) In my experience, as long as there are at least 2 Business class seats available for sale, you will be upgraded at the lowest price offered in the auction.
2) Your upgrade will be confirmed at EXACTLY 48 hours prior to departure if available and the segments upgraded will be automatically rebooked into "C" class. You can then select seats online via the Manage Booking function on the Ethiopian website or app. You will not be able to generate an OLCI boarding pass however in most cases as that needs to be manually processed after a PlusGrade upgrade.
3) Your SPML should be processed as 48 hours is in excess of the minimum cutoff for SPML requests. However, this can again be verified on the Manage Booking function or by calling the ET call center.
4) You will be entitled to lounge access based upon your class of service for the next departing flight (viz. if flying ADD-JRO in Business Class, you will be entitled to use the Cloud Nine Lounge in Addis).