is Canada considered abroad?
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Congratulations: you are one of the rare American FTer who headed south to Canada.
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For an American it's definitely "abroad" and once beyond the surface similarities it is a country with a very different history, culture and government.
The same applies to a Canadian going to the U.S. We would much rather say we are going "abroad" when what we are actually doing is spending the weekend in Buffalo.
The same applies to a Canadian going to the U.S. We would much rather say we are going "abroad" when what we are actually doing is spending the weekend in Buffalo.

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It's undeniable. Ireland was part of the UK for a long time and many things remained essentially the same after independence. To this day the countries have incredibly close links especially commercially but also culturally.
The main difference between the scenarios is that in spite of the closeness between Ireland and the UK there's significant and, among a minority, even militant antipathy on the Irish side toward Britain whereas I believe Canadian-American relations are almost entirely cordial (the occasional snark aside).
The main difference between the scenarios is that in spite of the closeness between Ireland and the UK there's significant and, among a minority, even militant antipathy on the Irish side toward Britain whereas I believe Canadian-American relations are almost entirely cordial (the occasional snark aside).
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It's undeniable. Ireland was part of the UK for a long time and many things remained essentially the same after independence. To this day the countries have incredibly close links especially commercially but also culturally.
The main difference between the scenarios is that in spite of the closeness between Ireland and the UK there's significant and, among a minority, even militant antipathy on the Irish side toward Britain whereas I believe Canadian-American relations are almost entirely cordial (the occasional snark aside).
The main difference between the scenarios is that in spite of the closeness between Ireland and the UK there's significant and, among a minority, even militant antipathy on the Irish side toward Britain whereas I believe Canadian-American relations are almost entirely cordial (the occasional snark aside).
There is an element of anti-Americanism among Canadians although it hasn't been militant since American invaders were sent packing in 1814 and lost their nerve in 1846 when they signed the Oregon Treaty.
It's difficult for people who do not live here to not appreciate the differences. Americans frequently have a difficult time grasping that it's a different country when they visit or attempt to do business here.
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The commercial ties between Canada and the U.S. are very strong. Both are each other's largest trading partner.
There is an element of anti-Americanism among Canadians although it hasn't been militant since American invaders were sent packing in 1814 and lost their nerve in 1846 when they signed the Oregon Treaty.
It's difficult for people who do not live here to not appreciate the differences. Americans frequently have a difficult time grasping that it's a different country when they visit or attempt to do business here.
There is an element of anti-Americanism among Canadians although it hasn't been militant since American invaders were sent packing in 1814 and lost their nerve in 1846 when they signed the Oregon Treaty.
It's difficult for people who do not live here to not appreciate the differences. Americans frequently have a difficult time grasping that it's a different country when they visit or attempt to do business here.
Paraphrased quote from former Prime Minister:
Being so close to the US is like sleeping beside an elephant. Most of the time elephants are friendly. But when they move around in their sleep you are going to feel it.
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I wouldn't have phrased the question that way, but you officially enter the US inside your Canadian departure airport when flying from Canada to the US. I once had a significant flight delay from Toronto, and spent several hours in the Transborder area. At that point I was legally in the US, even though I was physically in Toronto. If I had wanted to get food or shop airside, I would have had to exit the US and re-enter Canada. The flight then lands as a US domestic flight at the destination US airport, as all border formalities were done in Canada.
However when purchasing food in the preclearance area, one still pays Canadian federal and provincial harmonized sales tax (HST). And I believe that if one were to commit a crime in the preclearance area, it would be prosecuted under Canadian, not US, law (after all, most crimes in the US are prosecuted under state jurisdiction and it isn't obvious which US state would have jurisdiction in a US preclearance area).
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The commercial ties between Canada and the U.S. are very strong. Both are each other's largest trading partner.
There is an element of anti-Americanism among Canadians although it hasn't been militant since American invaders were sent packing in 1814 and lost their nerve in 1846 when they signed the Oregon Treaty.
It's difficult for people who do not live here to not appreciate the differences. Americans frequently have a difficult time grasping that it's a different country when they visit or attempt to do business here.
There is an element of anti-Americanism among Canadians although it hasn't been militant since American invaders were sent packing in 1814 and lost their nerve in 1846 when they signed the Oregon Treaty.
It's difficult for people who do not live here to not appreciate the differences. Americans frequently have a difficult time grasping that it's a different country when they visit or attempt to do business here.
For those who grew up fairly close to the border, going to Canada felt much like going to ones closest sibling's house (as the Peace Arch is inscribed, both countries are children of a common mother). It might not be your house, but you'll generally know where things are located and can easily spot the differences between your house and theirs.
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What you say--that you are legally in the US once you enter the preclearance area at a Canadian airport--seems to be true in some contexts but not in others. If one's flight is cancelled, for example, and one is forced to leave the preclearance area as a result, I believe one has to go back through Canadian customs as one has already legally left Canada.
However when purchasing food in the preclearance area, one still pays Canadian federal and provincial harmonized sales tax (HST). And I believe that if one were to commit a crime in the preclearance area, it would be prosecuted under Canadian, not US, law (after all, most crimes in the US are prosecuted under state jurisdiction and it isn't obvious which US state would have jurisdiction in a US preclearance area).
However when purchasing food in the preclearance area, one still pays Canadian federal and provincial harmonized sales tax (HST). And I believe that if one were to commit a crime in the preclearance area, it would be prosecuted under Canadian, not US, law (after all, most crimes in the US are prosecuted under state jurisdiction and it isn't obvious which US state would have jurisdiction in a US preclearance area).



