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Old Jul 13, 2016, 1:35 pm
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is Canada considered abroad?

I was wondering if they consider Canada to be considered abroad from California or Trans Border. I know that a passport is required but there are definitions of going abroad or Trans Border etc.

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Who's "they"? Travel between the US and Canada has some similarities with domestic travel and some similarities with international travel, but you'll have to be more specific about what your question is.
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I don't know why not given the definition of the word "abroad"...

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...english/abroad

abroad adverb [ after verb ] (OTHER COUNTRY)

in or to a foreign country or countries:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abroad

1 : over a wide area : widely

2 : away from one's home

3 : beyond the boundaries of one's country

4 : in wide circulation : about

5 : wide of the mark : astray
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beyond the boundaries of one's country


The last I checked Canada and the USA are two different countries.
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You're crossing an international border. There are some accommodations because of the trade and business cross-border connections. But YOU should consider it as traveling abroad. Bring your passport. Yes you can use the passport card, but if you have the passport why bother? The card seems to be one of those accommodations for regular commercial travelers.
Also, check with your mobile provider. Outside of T-Mobile, they definitely treat Canada as abroad and charge accordingly.

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Old Jul 13, 2016, 2:47 pm
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Who's "they"? Travel between the US and Canada has some similarities with domestic travel and some similarities with international travel, but you'll have to be more specific about what your question is.
The airlines and people going to Canada. I was confused with Transborder.
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in short, yes.
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Old Jul 13, 2016, 2:50 pm
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You're crossing an international border. There are some accommodations because of the trade and business cross-border connections. But YOU should consider it as traveling abroad. Bring your passport. Yes you can use the passport card, but if you have the passport why bother? The card seems to be one of those accommodations for regular commercial travelers.
Also, check with your mobile provider. Outside of T-Mobile, they definitely treat Canada as abroad and charge accordingly.
We have passports and Tmobile.
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Originally Posted by danielonn
The airlines and people going to Canada. I was confused with Transborder.
"Transborder" in this case is a term usually applied to flights from Canada to the US where border preclearance is in effect.

It creates a third category of departing passengers for those airports in Canada, where they've officially departed Canada and entered the US already, so they have to be separated both from domestic passengers and from other international passengers.

It doesn't apply to flights from the US to Canada.
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What an odd question.
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What an odd question.
I know right.

Since it's an international border. It sure is abroad.
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I wouldn't have phrased the question that way, but you officially enter the US inside your Canadian departure airport when flying from Canada to the US. I once had a significant flight delay from Toronto, and spent several hours in the Transborder area. At that point I was legally in the US, even though I was physically in Toronto. If I had wanted to get food or shop airside, I would have had to exit the US and re-enter Canada. The flight then lands as a US domestic flight at the destination US airport, as all border formalities were done in Canada.

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Old Jul 14, 2016, 9:19 am
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For an American it's definitely "abroad" and once beyond the surface similarities it is a country with a very different history, culture and government.

The same applies to a Canadian going to the U.S. We would much rather say we are going "abroad" when what we are actually doing is spending the weekend in Buffalo.
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Originally Posted by danielonn
I was wondering if they consider Canada to be considered abroad from California or Trans Border. I know that a passport is required but there are definitions of going abroad or Trans Border etc.

Thanks.
Of course not. It's overseas.



Originally Posted by emrdoc
What an odd question.
This is one of the more normal ones.
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Old Jul 14, 2016, 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by DocP
I wouldn't have phrased the question that way, but you officially enter the US inside your Canadian departure airport when flying from Canada to the US. I once had a significant flight delay from Toronto, and spent several hours in the Transborder area. At that point I was legally in the US, even though I was physically in Toronto. If I had wanted to get food or shop airside, I would have had to exit the US and re-enter Canada. The flight then lands as a US domestic flight at the destination US airport, as all border formalities were done in Canada.
Same with Ireland, although there are shops which take Euros in the Transborder area.

Anyhow, in Canada, Canada is not considered abroad. Elsewhere it is considered abroad, as well as actually being abroad. Simple.
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