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Old Mar 23, 2016 | 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
Additionally, there are people who are convinced that their employees are all thieves. So, they require receipts for everything rather than firing the thieves.
Now I'd like to think that my former employer didn't think this of us, but if you think about it, it begins to cost so much to deal with the paperwork. We weren't exactly cheap employees and did our expenses on work time. For me to deal with the expenses from an average 5 day, week long trip, all in, was probably $60-80 payroll in labor, between entering it all into Concur, organizing receipts (because they wanted the hard copies too), taking screenshots of the credit card activity (because F us), and then circling back with my admin when she inevitably didn't understand something or screwed it up (50/50 chance at what it was, but was always something).

And that's excluding the time of the folks in accounts payable who had to review it all.
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
In Canada, E&Y also has a FF list and they get to fly in domestic J for flights over X hours (I forget). It's pretty cool. (I haven't worked there, this is from another FTer)
That's also subject to client rules - if the engagement letter says you are flying economy, you usually are (we had some senior folk who would convince management they should be in business / first, but the company had to eat that cost, as it couldn't be charged back. Anyone lower than a senior manager was in the back of the bus for certain major client stints!)
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by darthbimmer
The popular notion that computerized travel services book crazy itineraries with multiple connections, alternate airports, and undesirable departure times just because they're $20 cheaper than a nonstop is not true in my experience. I've used computerized systems for the past 8 years across 3 different employers, and they're easily configurable to select reasonable itineraries. In fact the one my current employer uses shows a "Most logical airfare" atop the list of search results, and it's nearly always the flight I identified as most desirable from my own searching beforehand.
My biggest issues were:
a) Time of flight - certain destinations they would try to book your travel starting or finishing at absurd times that would eat into your productivity. Scheduling me on a flight at 2pm is just stupid where there are either 8am or 6pm options (depending on if I am coming or going). 2pm just means the travel eats pretty much the whole day unnecessarily. I was frequently 'out of policy' because I took slightly more expensive flights that let me spend the day working, either at home or at the destination.
b) Silly cross-city connections - London came up a few times, into Heathrow (because AC were a preferred airline it would try to select AC or codeshare flight as default) but then Gatwick or once even Stanstead to connect to another European city, but also had people having to change airports in Chicago and New York.
c) Hotels that simply made no sense in relation to where you had to be - there was one city where there was a metro line pretty much door to door hotel to office, but because of the slightly higher hotel cost it was 'out of policy'. The fact the difference in cost was far less than a taxi there and back, and that hotel gave you breakfast when the in policy one did not, eluded them.
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 8:13 am
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All the sign of poor leadership and worse management. If it costs $70 for the submitter to prepare the reimbursement request and even half of that to review it and process it for payment, that is roughly $100.

If you go through all of that to catch somebody who had an extra vodka with their dinner, you haven't saved particularly much.

This is also why many businesses have shifted to a per diem system and do not require receipts for the items covered by the per diem. So long as the per diem is fair, most employees tend to like it because it lets them shift things around to their eating habits.

This, of course, does not work for people who have business development responsibilities as their expenses are both unpredictable and possibly ought to be high end.
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 8:14 am
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Originally Posted by emma69
That's also subject to client rules - if the engagement letter says you are flying economy, you usually are (we had some senior folk who would convince management they should be in business / first, but the company had to eat that cost, as it couldn't be charged back. Anyone lower than a senior manager was in the back of the bus for certain major client stints!)
Wow. I did not know that. Thanks for this.

Would you say it's pretty common for E&Y folks to be in the front of the plane though?

E&Y seems like a pretty good place to work? Stodgy in some respects?
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by Often1
This is also why many businesses have shifted to a per diem system and do not require receipts for the items covered by the per diem. So long as the per diem is fair, most employees tend to like it because it lets them shift things around to their eating habits.

This, of course, does not work for people who have business development responsibilities as their expenses are both unpredictable and possibly ought to be high end.
Easy solution at my last employer. Per diems were split into meals to allow partial claim on travel days. Business development people would just substitute a meal with receipt and include prospect/client details. (deducting that meal's per diem allowance).

Certain circumstances also resulted in similar partial per diems reductions such as a team dinner.
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Wow. I did not know that. Thanks for this.

Would you say it's pretty common for E&Y folks to be in the front of the plane though?
I can't speak for E&Y but at my Big 4 the only people at the front of the plane were people who got CPUd due to status, generally these were partners and senior managers just because they travelled more. Once I shared a cab to the office with one of the Directors on my project, she was a 1K and I was Gold at the time, we were both delayed out of BOS and she could have gotten on an earlier flight and got to the office on time but said no because her CPU cleared into the later flight. I sat in E+ for that one. Domestic first wasn't allowed, for most purposes. The only exception I knew of is if you absolutely had to be somewhere at a certain time and there wasn't an economy fare available. Even then it was flagged as an out of policy booking and you can almost guarantee central finance would be emailing you about why you booked it, so you'd need manager approval for it. I mean they once hassled me over a cancellable hotel reservation because it was $20 more than the primary hotel we were supposed to use.

So I did what any respectable FTer would do. I cancelled the booking, waited for the preferred hotel to be sold out, and rebooked the hotel I wanted which while it was the same price as the original reservation, was no longer out of policy because the preferred hotel wasn't available. What a PITA.
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 2:01 pm
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Our policy for J travel is 9 hours total gate-to-gate including the connections.

Since we're based in the Midwest, that means Europe and South America are almost always fair game, but all continental North America is Y. Personally, I find that reasonable...putting myself in my clients' shoes, a J/F ticket on a midcon would be kind of a waste of money. We all know it isn't a great experience for the traveler.

We still do receipts for meals with suggested caps by city. I much preferred the fixed per diems where you don't turn in meal receipts at all. The "suggested" cap means nobody gives me grief for being $10 over one day, but I'd still rather not have to deal with the receipts. I'd happily go quite frugal on most meals, as I generally enjoy casual cafes, streetfood, farmer's markets, etc.

We are permitted to Uber/Lyft but not permitted to Airbnb. That makes sense to me. Our general hotel guidance is the standard midrange Marriott/Renaissance/Westin/Hilton/etc. level, although if you go up or down a level from there with good reason and a decent rate, nobody minds.
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
When I was at Gamesa (not a consulting firm) we were held to $10 for breakfast, $25 for lunch, and $50 for dinner. Our CEO once remarked to me that $50 for dinner was a bit tight, since you'd easily get there with an appetizer, entree and glass of wine.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread.
This is pretty similar to ours. I think it's probably below average in terms of leeway, but do you think this level of meal allowance is fairly common?
Since I almost exclusively stay at Hilton where my status gets me free breakfast, breakfast's a non-issue.
But I'm often having to go over limit for lunch and pay a few bucks out of pocket.
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by evergrn
Sorry to resurrect an old thread.
This is pretty similar to ours. I think it's probably below average in terms of leeway, but do you think this level of meal allowance is fairly common?
Since I almost exclusively stay at Hilton where my status gets me free breakfast, breakfast's a non-issue.
But I'm often having to go over limit for lunch and pay a few bucks out of pocket.
Some firms acknowledge travelers may incur a few bucks out of pocket per meal. Logic being that you would incur some cost if you were at home so this is just keeping you whole.

May make sense for lunch where you may have eaten out if based in a local office (balanced with days of bringing lunch from home to justify the subsidy). It can be a low impact virtue signaling for the non-travelers who see the traveler whipping out a corporate card to pay for lunch.

Just like not advertising your luxury vacation paid with points to someone who doesnt comprehend the sacrifices of being a road warrior.
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Segments
Some firms acknowledge travelers may incur a few bucks out of pocket per meal. Logic being that you would incur some cost if you were at home so this is just keeping you whole.
Sure I can accept that. But I was under the assumption that our meal policy was extremely strict... until I came across the above quoted post and realized there are other places that are similarly strict. But Im just wondering if this is still super-strict (as in bottom 25%ile), not out of the ordinary, or sort of normal.
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 4:24 pm
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Originally Posted by evergrn


Sure I can accept that. But I was under the assumption that our meal policy was extremely strict... until I came across the above quoted post and realized there are other places that are similarly strict. But Im just wondering if this is still super-strict (as in bottom 25%ile), not out of the ordinary, or sort of normal.
I previously was with a firm where per diem for meals was $10 breakfast, $15 lunch, and $25 dinner. Current firm has guidance to average $40 per day with no reimbursement permitted for lunches. (I say guidance because amount is flexible based on travel location and with manager review of project budget).

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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Segments
I previously was with a firm where per diem for meals was $10 breakfast, $15 lunch, and $25 dinner. Current firm has guidance to average $40 per day with no reimbursement permitted for lunches. (I say guidance because amount is flexible based on travel location and with manager review of project budget).
Omg $40 a day is very meager.

Our policy is strict with no flexibility.
But, even with guidance providing you some leeway, I presume you would not be able to get away with $80 on any given day for instance.

i guess our meal allowances are not that bad after all.
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Old Jun 9, 2019 | 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by evergrn


Omg $40 a day is very meager.

Our policy is strict with no flexibility.
But, even with guidance providing you some leeway, I presume you would not be able to get away with $80 on any given day for instance.

i guess our meal allowances are not that bad after all.
Actually I do expense one or two meals a month of $75-100. Over the month it averages out. (in a full time travel role). With status I expense few breakfasts, and work to keep other travel expenses low to stay within budget.
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Originally Posted by Segments
Actually I do expense one or two meals a month of $75-100. Over the month it averages out. (in a full time travel role). With status I expense few breakfasts, and work to keep other travel expenses low to stay within budget.
After your $100 day, Panda Express for dinner the next 2 nights lol
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