Would cabotage ever work?
Jan 2, 2015 | 12:16 pm
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It works the other way around. Torontonians go to Buffalo to fly to American cities since it's a lot less expensive given the lower taxes in Buffalo vs Toronto.
Jan 14, 2015 | 7:50 pm
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While we're fantasizing, one obvious alternative would be for the US and Canada to adopt a Schengen-like system so that there is no passport control between them at all. That would be amazingly good for business in general, not just for travel. Likelihood low, though, especially given all the security paranoia in the US.
Jan 15, 2015 | 9:05 am
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EDIT: Looked up DL schedules. They say no flight but, looking at the schedule, you can piece together such a flight.
Example: Winnepeg - MSP - Toronto
YWG arrives in MSP at 1025 am, next flight to YYZ is 1:42 pm.
YWG arrives in MSP at 613 pm, next flight to YYZ is 735 pm.
Last edited by Box5; Jan 15, 2015 at 9:10 am
Jan 15, 2015 | 9:57 am
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This would only work if there was no passport control between the two countries. In such a case there would be no difference flying from JFK to SFO via ORD or YYZ. In fact it would probably work fairly well for us passengers as it would increase competition and open new routing options.
I can't see it happening from a political point of view though. At least not in the close future.
EDIT: Anyone knows what would happen if AC and UA were allowed to compete on domestic routes in the US/Canada? I mean for Star Alliance.
I can't see it happening from a political point of view though. At least not in the close future.
EDIT: Anyone knows what would happen if AC and UA were allowed to compete on domestic routes in the US/Canada? I mean for Star Alliance.
Last edited by valdor; Jan 15, 2015 at 1:30 pm
Jan 15, 2015 | 1:06 pm
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Canadian costs are higher so I would suspect that an open US-Canada market would hurt Air Canada. Delta's hubs at MSP and DTW could siphon traffic from YYZ. If there were an open border, BUF would siphon more traffic from YYZ.
Jan 16, 2015 | 6:51 am
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Very briefly, after Ansett failed, UA was allowed cabotage on SYD<->MEL. If you dig far enough back in the Trip reports forum, you can probably find some posts related to it.
Passengers were able to buy tickets for MEL<->SYD stand alone without connecting to a UA trans-pacific flight.
IIRC, the cabotage rights lasted only a month or two.
EDIT: Found some old threads about it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ights-yet.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-december.html
Passengers were able to buy tickets for MEL<->SYD stand alone without connecting to a UA trans-pacific flight.
IIRC, the cabotage rights lasted only a month or two.
EDIT: Found some old threads about it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ights-yet.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-december.html
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Jan 19, 2015 | 8:16 pm
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In fact, IIRC, when there was a fight for CP before AC bought it, one of the issues with the competing bid was it was going to have too much of an ownership stake by AMR, the parent of AA at the time.