Is this an ethical question or non-issue?
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Absolutely, in no way whatsoever should this money be given to the employer
The employer has not been inconvenienced in any way! It's not like they said, oh we accidentally overcharged you for the ticket, so here is $700 refund in which case it definitely would be wrong to keep the money.
The only ethical problem would be if the employer made you give the money to them which I also think would be illegal!
The employer has not been inconvenienced in any way! It's not like they said, oh we accidentally overcharged you for the ticket, so here is $700 refund in which case it definitely would be wrong to keep the money.The only ethical problem would be if the employer made you give the money to them which I also think would be illegal!
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I agree. I've worked in government, private sector and non-profit none have ever required personal compensation be handed over. I'd even question whether they could legally.
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I worked for a large company (535 locations) a few years ago. I took a VDB on the way back from a trip and got a $300 voucher plus as I was paid overtime until I arrived home, I billed the extra hours.
Looking back, I realize this was not a smart move. I think if I were the OP I'd talk to my immediate supervisor and see what their opinion on it was. Chan of command and all.
Looking back, I realize this was not a smart move. I think if I were the OP I'd talk to my immediate supervisor and see what their opinion on it was. Chan of command and all.
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It's not fraud at all. I was paid until I got home. I didn't bill for any time after getting home. Not did I misrepresent why I got home later. It was unprofessional and dishonest, but fraud is not the correct term.
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How about " an unjust windfall" ? looks like you had your cake and ate it too ?
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I had a WX issue cause me to fly into ELM instead of ITH. I got a rental car (that I wasn't allotted for this trip otherwise) and submitted the receipt to Delta. Delta paid, I never submitted that receipt to work. If Delta hadn't paid before I submitted, I would have turned the check over to my company after the fact. Not worth being fired over $140.
I have no qualms about expensing meals/hotel/parking after legitimate delays, but ->
If I VDB'd I'd consider everything beyond what I usually would have expensed on my own....except parking. I do break up parking if I have a couple personal days in a business trip, but the way the parking is charged usually doesn't factor in unless it's a whole 24 hour delay.
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I should add, it depends if it was really your time or not. For my employer, if you get money for a flight delay and the delay is hours on the clock, you can either keep the cash or take a day vacation. The idea is if your employer is paying you during the delay, you shouldn't get a windfall.
The intent of the law presumably is (1) to compensate the person suffering the delay; (2) provide civil penalty/incentives; (3) force airlines to improve their operations which airlines for years failed to do; (4) recognize that passengers are human beings with life plans, commitments and obligations.
Yes the windfall is rightfully kept by the employee.
If the employer desires compensation for damages caused by the delay inflicted on its employee - they can ask independently - but not under that specific law.
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Providing you weren't originally schedule to arrive home in time to go to work, then it's all your personal inconvenience. If you would have worked that day (even partially), then it's also your employer's loss.

