Originally Posted by CPRich
(Post 21465495)
How could anything other than just paying the fine result in a better financial outcome, factoring in time spent on any other action?
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The entirety of my statement was IF there is no communication based on the OPs post. The remainder of the paragraph notes that is a gamble I would not take.
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Originally Posted by Sweet Willie
(Post 21466111)
having fought numerous times (in person & via attorney), I fully disagree with your statement. It has been worth it each & every time.
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Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 21466286)
How would it be 'worth it' in this case? Can you break down the cost / benefit for me?
i hate to say it be the days of the technical outs of tickets are gone...what we do not have is the abilitiy like i am sure OP knows ot negotiate down a speeding ticket to an infraction like parking in front of a hydrant in which case the local prosecutor will know that the money from this lesser offence that MIGHT be more in $$$ goes locally versus the speeding fine that does not. so in the USA there appears to be more interesting options but not in BC and not in Ontario. [and may not attract points to increase insurance costs...i am sure this attorney is going to espouse this benefit] |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 21466286)
How would it be 'worth it' in this case? Can you break down the cost / benefit for me?
What's it cost for a lawyer to fix a ticket in BC? Grab the local alternative newspaper, turn to the back page, and check the ads... ;) |
Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 21466566)
I can see how it'd be worth it if the driver already has a ticket or two on his/her record and knows BC tickets will post to the insurance company.
What's it cost for a lawyer to fix a ticket in BC? Grab the local alternative newspaper, turn to the back page, and check the ads... ;) (604) 1EX COPS (604) DONT PAY etc etc! |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 21466286)
How would it be 'worth it' in this case? Can you break down the cost / benefit for me?
1) thrown out, cop did not appear 2) I've had fines reduced from hundred's to $50 or less. (last example I have was using cell phone in Chicago, reduced to $20 from I forget how many exact hundreds they wanted if I had just paid the ticket) 3) Pay the fine but am granted supervision (so essentially dropped if I have a clean driving record for 3-6 months) 4) Pay the fine but violation dropped to a non-moving one. (I can't provide cost saved by insurance premium not going up for the last two points) Also, let's not forget if one has a company car, having a severe speeding ticket or other traffic violation come to the attention of one's employer is not worth it no matter the financial cost to fight it. so yes for me and my many experiences, it has ALWAYS been to my benefit to go to court or to have someone appear for me. |
Originally Posted by Sweet Willie
(Post 21467327)
Let me count the ways.
1) thrown out, cop did not appear 2) I've had fines reduced from hundred's to $50 or less. (last example I have was using cell phone in Chicago, reduced to $20 from I forget how many exact hundreds they wanted if I had just paid the ticket) 3) Pay the fine but am granted supervision (so essentially dropped if I have a clean driving record for 3-6 months) 4) Pay the fine but violation dropped to a non-moving one. (I can't provide cost saved by insurance premium not going up for the last two points) Also, let's not forget if one has a company car, having a severe speeding ticket or other traffic violation come to the attention of one's employer is not worth it no matter the financial cost to fight it. so yes for me and my many experiences, it has ALWAYS been to my benefit to go to court or to have someone appear for me. |
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 21467604)
Sure, but in this case most of these examples don't apply, or aren't relevant under British Columbia law.
by all means, OP follow Sweet Willie's advice. Puts money, not only into the gov's pockets, but into the pocket of my fellow collegues of the bar in BC. |
Originally Posted by mkjr
(Post 21467914)
oh don't get so fussed about the fact that there is a border in the way ruin Sweet Willie's delusions that the way this is dealt with in BC is the same as it is in the old u, s of a....
by all means, OP follow Sweet Willie's advice. Puts money, not only into the gov's pockets, but into the pocket of my fellow collegues of the bar in BC. I pointed out what I've done in the US.
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 21467604)
Sure, but in this case most of these examples don't apply, or aren't relevant under British Columbia law.
The OP wasn't aware of his options, I think you've made it clear that apparently that it isn't worthwhile to go, or have someone appear for you, in BC court. |
Originally Posted by Sweet Willie
(Post 21467938)
I didn't say that, are you delusional or just trying to be the smug smartarse?
I pointed out what I've done in the US. If this approach isn't an option in BC, then fine, but to just pay a fine w/o doing research is foolish. The OP wasn't aware of his options, I think you've made it clear that apparently that it isn't worthwhile to go, or have someone appear for you, in BC court. |
Originally Posted by Sweet Willie
(Post 21467327)
Let me count the ways.
1) thrown out, cop did not appear 2) I've had fines reduced from hundred's to $50 or less. (last example I have was using cell phone in Chicago, reduced to $20 from I forget how many exact hundreds they wanted if I had just paid the ticket) 3) Pay the fine but am granted supervision (so essentially dropped if I have a clean driving record for 3-6 months) 4) Pay the fine but violation dropped to a non-moving one. (I can't provide cost saved by insurance premium not going up for the last two points) Also, let's not forget if one has a company car, having a severe speeding ticket or other traffic violation come to the attention of one's employer is not worth it no matter the financial cost to fight it. so yes for me and my many experiences, it has ALWAYS been to my benefit to go to court or to have someone appear for me.
Originally Posted by gglave
(Post 21467604)
Sure, but in this case most of these examples don't apply, or aren't relevant under British Columbia law.
The only part I agree might be worthwhile is that the judge has the discretion to alter the fine depending on the circumstances, i.e. defendant is a student with limited funds etc. but I can't see it happening in this case as the speed was so far above the posted limit. But I have personally also seen judges raise the fine amount for various reasons, although rarely. This could be one of those cases, IMO, as it really should have been an Excessive violation and it might p.o. the judge that he had the nerve to try and get out of even the lesser fine instead of being grateful for the break he was given. The judge has the discretion to raise or lower the fine and he ight decide a bigger deterrent/punishment is warranted in certain circumstances. |
Originally Posted by Tshoobaka
(Post 21458184)
Just pay if you want to go back and I actually find it strange that you haven't already had additional fees from Avis for getting a ticket with their rental
Originally Posted by gobluetwo
(Post 21459695)
I've not gotten a moving violation in a rental before, but I would think that if you don't pay, the government would eventually send a notice to the registration holder, who would then pay the ticket. In this case, it would make sense that Avis would pay and then come after you to reimburse them for the cost of a ticket + some sort of service charge. Whether or not it causes issues for you in Canada, it might cause issues for future rentals with Avis.
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Does anyone remember a similiar discussion but it was a European girl who got a speeding tix in the US and it ended up causing huge travel problems. The tix escalated with fines to hundreds and hundreds of dollars and hers didn't start at 196 and finally a warrant for her arrest. Then she had trouble renting a car again and was worried about travel to certain states. Just pay the fine and be done with it.
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Not paying is not a good idea - there might be issues later when you enter Canada at a land crossing or get pull over for a moving violation.
Paying is not a good idea - without understanding the full implication of a paying the fine which in many places equals a guilty plead and the ramification on your driving record and insurance rates. Especially for a 50kph over infraction. Look up Traffic ticket paralegals in BC/Vancouver who will know the consequences and fight the ticket to get the damages of the charges and the record minimized. |
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