This discussion inspires me to want to try and lead a change effort at my employer. Here is my contribution to this post:
Information Technology Company 1000-5000 Employees 100-500M$/YR Revenue air reservations, employees are expected to book the lowest logical coach airfare for the specific itinerary All travel should be in the coach class of service. As a consultant, I have had to do the LAX-SYD and ATL-JNB round trips this year in Y. It usually makes me unproductive for 3-5 days, most of the time I am in front of customers after 1 day of recovery. I usually feel very miserable after these trips, specifically suffering from headaches, nausea, and back pain. For personal travel I have done DTW to NRT in both Y and J (used miles to purchase). I experienced no health issues when I completed the trip in J. |
Originally Posted by mandolino
(Post 23788977)
They can have an extra day in a hotel if they're tired.
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Any flight over "big water" (the Atlantic or Pacific) warrants an upgrade to J, even for junior staff.
Our Veeps fly in J or F, always. |
Originally Posted by mandolino
(Post 23788977)
I don't nickel and dime. I just don't pay for business class flights on demand.
We're not, as I made clear, talking about nickels and dimes, but thousands. I've travelled more miles on longer flights than anyone I've hired and I don't buy their bluster that the work will somehow be $3000 better if I let them spend $3000 more on their flights and charge it back. They can have an extra day in a hotel if they're tired. Going out the client pays for Friday night the last week. If I want to stay after that, it's on my dime. Now, to make this relevant to the OP, the business I consult for is international oil upstream. And there are buckets of money being thrown around in that business. So the travel policies can be pretty loose. |
I'm a business owner and my policy is to go first class all the way.. for myself!!!
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Originally Posted by Annalisa12
(Post 23794030)
I'm a business owner and my policy is to go first class all the way.. for myself!!!
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Originally Posted by cytog64
(Post 23790596)
As a consultant, I have had to do the LAX-SYD and ATL-JNB round trips this year in Y. It usually makes me unproductive for 3-5 days, most of the time I am in front of customers after 1 day of recovery. I usually feel very miserable after these trips, specifically suffering from headaches, nausea, and back pain.
For personal travel I have done DTW to NRT in both Y and J (used miles to purchase). I experienced no health issues when I completed the trip in J. |
business I consult for is international oil upstream. |
I've done ORD-LHR in Y and it wasn't so bad when I had an entire row of 3 seats to myself and could lie down (with some discomfort). Glad it was only a 6-7 hour flight, so I got by, but business class is definitely favorable. This was purely due to project budget constraints. Otherwise, my company's policy is J for overseas travel of 5+ hours (mainly to ensure the NYC-LON flights for execs qualify), regardless of level. We do have to use preferred airlines, where possible, but there are no rules about having to take lowest fare, connections, etc, although everything goes through at least 1 level of approvals and have to enter business justification (from drop-down).
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Originally Posted by mandolino
(Post 23795270)
Me too. I've been through a lot of booms and busts in the last 35 years and right now with Brent Crude tumbling toward $80 and below companies are shedding expensive consultants as fast as they can.
But I understand your pain. In the late 90s when oil plunged I was working in Kazakhstan and Urals Blend dropped to $7/bbl. Management sent everyone on my team home, except me, and I was tasked with jerry-rigging some processes together that would hold them through the down turn. I love $100 oil. :cool: |
Originally Posted by Tchiowa
(Post 23798510)
The company I consult with right now is expanding so it's not as bad. In fact, they just this week signed me for another year.
But I understand your pain. In the late 90s when oil plunged I was working in Kazakhstan and Urals Blend dropped to $7/bbl. Management sent everyone on my team home, except me, and I was tasked with jerry-rigging some processes together that would hold them through the down turn. I love $100 oil. :cool: |
Originally Posted by badgersfly
(Post 23798563)
Sounds like some of us need to find jobs in the oil consulting business!
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Fortune 100 technology company. J is allowed for flights over 7 hours for VPs and above only. Economy Plus/Economy Comfort/etc. isn't even allowed unless you're Director or above. Even more senior ranks permit F/J for shorter flights.
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Originally Posted by mandolino
(Post 23795270)
Me too. I've been through a lot of booms and busts in the last 35 years and right now with Brent Crude tumbling toward $80 and below companies are shedding expensive consultants as fast as they can.
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Was on the bus to FCO last year and was talking to a woman that said that her company makes her fly business or first (whatever the highest class is) because if they are upgraded the company would have to claim that for taxes. Did I hear this wrong or is this pretty common? Thanks
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