Sequester cuts: effects on travel.
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Anyone that thinks the delays are 'no big deal' and 'people shouldn't get aggravated' needs to wait with their opinion until they themselves have sat in an airport 8 to 12 hours and until they have their own business disrupted and have business deals screwed up due to delays.
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I've got a question for you guys regarding the sequester.
This coming weekend I have 4 flights, LGB -> LAS (B9), LAS -> SNA (FL) and then LAX -> SFO (WN) and SFO -> LAX (VX). The time between SNA and LAX flights is several hours, and usually I would not be concerned getting there for a WN flight. Now because of the sequester I'm a bit nervous (but not losing sleep over it).
If, due to the sequester delays are to happen that force either my plane to be delayed into SNA, or security is ridiculous at LAX and I miss my flight out, what recourse do I have? Searched, but haven't seen much on this yet. I'm assuming this would be handled differently than if I just slept through my alarm, since it's (security, the sequester) is beyond my control.
This coming weekend I have 4 flights, LGB -> LAS (B9), LAS -> SNA (FL) and then LAX -> SFO (WN) and SFO -> LAX (VX). The time between SNA and LAX flights is several hours, and usually I would not be concerned getting there for a WN flight. Now because of the sequester I'm a bit nervous (but not losing sleep over it).
If, due to the sequester delays are to happen that force either my plane to be delayed into SNA, or security is ridiculous at LAX and I miss my flight out, what recourse do I have? Searched, but haven't seen much on this yet. I'm assuming this would be handled differently than if I just slept through my alarm, since it's (security, the sequester) is beyond my control.
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Even if they could reduce ATC delays to a bare minimum, due to sequester, why should they? It would only prove that they could get by with few Air Traffic Controllers. Ditto for TSA. No employer (particularly a gov't agency) would ever admit that they have more employees than they really need.
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It's obviously not hard to find anecdotal stories of woe when it comes to air travel. I mean, everyday there are tens of thousands of flights, so somebody is going to suffer a ridiculous delay. What I'm interested in is the overall delay stats which, I guess, are most easily measured in the ontime performance of the major airlines. Is somebody keeping close daily track of that here? On-time stats for particular airports would also be helpful as we could see where the real staffing problems are (and know which airports are particularly risky to fly to right now).
From a traveler standpoint, what worries me most here is making a flight connection. Given a choice, I think I'd prefer nonstop flights for the next couple of weeks until they resolve this.
From a traveler standpoint, what worries me most here is making a flight connection. Given a choice, I think I'd prefer nonstop flights for the next couple of weeks until they resolve this.
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Yes, if the flights out of YVR are going to US airspace. The furloughs create reductions in capacity throughout the system. If a flight from Canada is heading to the US, it will face the same delays as any other would. The US does put ground holds on flights from Canada to the US when necessary.
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It's changing on a daily basis. For example, I believe, Chicago Center had good staffing the first two days, but not today (I think it's Chicago Center). A high-altitude North Atlantic oceanic sector was closed one day so far, but open the next. Today some routes to the Caribbean will be closed though there was staffing to have them open previous days. Staffing is not constant at any given facility so the delays will not be that predictable. It's also not just an issue of airports, but center staffing that could lead to planes needing to be further in trail.
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It's changing on a daily basis. For example, I believe, Chicago Center had good staffing the first two days, but not today (I think it's Chicago Center). A high-altitude North Atlantic oceanic sector was closed one day so far, but open the next. Today some routes to the Caribbean will be closed though there was staffing to have them open previous days. Staffing is not constant at any given facility so the delays will not be that predictable. It's also not just an issue of airports, but center staffing that could lead to planes needing to be further in trail.
My guess is that, somehow, this is all resolved in the next 2 weeks or so. Either the FAA will "figure out" how to adjust to the lower staffing, or the politicians will intervene. While only a small percentage of the American public flies regularly, it's the "opinion leaders" and decision makers who fly all the time. If delays mount, Congress and the White House will figure out some sort of stop-gap solution to this self-inflicted wound. In the meantime, I hope I make my connection on Friday.
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Meanwhile the whole system is interconnected. Where one facility may have good staffing, a facility they hand planes off to may be short and may require more spacing, creating a domino effect.
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What they could do, though, is to make more cuts at lesser-used facilities (make more cuts at CVG than ATL, for example) to balance out the system.
My guess is that, somehow, this is all resolved in the next 2 weeks or so. Either the FAA will "figure out" how to adjust to the lower staffing, or the politicians will intervene. While only a small percentage of the American public flies regularly, it's the "opinion leaders" and decision makers who fly all the time. If delays mount, Congress and the White House will figure out some sort of stop-gap solution to this self-inflicted wound. In the meantime, I hope I make my connection on Friday.
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I've got a question for you guys regarding the sequester.
This coming weekend I have 4 flights, LGB -> LAS (B9), LAS -> SNA (FL) and then LAX -> SFO (WN) and SFO -> LAX (VX). The time between SNA and LAX flights is several hours, and usually I would not be concerned getting there for a WN flight. Now because of the sequester I'm a bit nervous (but not losing sleep over it).
If, due to the sequester delays are to happen that force either my plane to be delayed into SNA, or security is ridiculous at LAX and I miss my flight out, what recourse do I have? Searched, but haven't seen much on this yet. I'm assuming this would be handled differently than if I just slept through my alarm, since it's (security, the sequester) is beyond my control.
This coming weekend I have 4 flights, LGB -> LAS (B9), LAS -> SNA (FL) and then LAX -> SFO (WN) and SFO -> LAX (VX). The time between SNA and LAX flights is several hours, and usually I would not be concerned getting there for a WN flight. Now because of the sequester I'm a bit nervous (but not losing sleep over it).
If, due to the sequester delays are to happen that force either my plane to be delayed into SNA, or security is ridiculous at LAX and I miss my flight out, what recourse do I have? Searched, but haven't seen much on this yet. I'm assuming this would be handled differently than if I just slept through my alarm, since it's (security, the sequester) is beyond my control.
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STL - LGA tonight, 40 to 60 minutes late departing. Not sure about cause, it might be partially due to weather. Just announced flow delay into LGA. It will be more than an hour late possibly.
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NEW YORK (J.F. KENNEDY) 82 Minutes STAFFING
NEW YORK (LA GUARDIA) 115 Minutes STAFFING
NEW YORK (NEWARK LIBERTY) 115 Minutes STAFFING
WASHINGTON (NATIONAL) 73 Minutes STAFFING
NEW YORK (LA GUARDIA) 115 Minutes STAFFING
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#120
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Todays editorial in WSJ titled "Flight delays as Political strategy" notes other areas to cut besides the air traffic controllers. (They need to reduce spending by 600 million)
500 million to consultants
325 million for supplies and travel
Or how about these items from the DOT:
474 million grant program to make communities more livable and sustainable
unknown amount for Women in Transportation History online exhibit.
500 million to consultants
325 million for supplies and travel
Or how about these items from the DOT:
474 million grant program to make communities more livable and sustainable
unknown amount for Women in Transportation History online exhibit.

