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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 5:57 am
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Originally Posted by skylady
Well Max, it certainly depends on how much "space" you actually need. Is it 2 inches, or maybe the full 45 linear inches? We like to call it "shared space".
Very nice turn of phrase Skylady. As a newbie to this board, it's gratifying to see that some members have a sense of humour. I think you'd be fun to spend a few hours as a seat companion.....!

Thanks everyone for the responses. I was pretty sure what the answer would be but I am pleased to note the active participation from members. I will visit more often as there is much worthwhile input here. Oh, and BTW, I've never had a problem with the overhead issue since I adopted my new strategy - simply fake a good limp and pre board....! Happy landings.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 6:58 am
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Originally Posted by nrr
Generally the overhead compartments (sometimes only one side of the plane) can accommodate 3 bags with wheels; anyone who places their bag in such a way that other bags won't also fit is a "hog".
Most FA's, when they see bags that are poorly place will place them to MAXIMIZE available storage.
There are an annoying number of aircraft where, despite having a carry on that is entirely legal sized, doesn't fit the 'logical' way around in the overhead bin (and yet will on your connecting flight with the same airline!) They really should give a maximum size for the aircraft type, smaller on those planes with limited sized overheads.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by CPRich
Other than class-specific partitioning, which I agree with, the space is first come, first served. Though I do agree that those who toss their bags above row 7 and proceed back to their seat in Row 30 are being jerks.
Unless you know that row 30 on that aircraft is reserved for crew bags / emergency kit / baby life rafts / blankets etc. There is one aircraft I fly on from time to time, that has one of the overheads over the bulkhead filled with emergency equipment, meaning that, given there is no floor storage on the bulkhead, the bulkhead passengers have to put their bags a row or two back. I think it is a silly design, but as I like the bulkhead, I try to ensure I board as soon as permitted to pop my stuff in an overhead close to me - but if not, the FAs have never had any issue with me popping my bag in the last bin of FC.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 7:18 am
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"Your" space is the space under your seat. Overhead is public space. First come, first serve.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by John Isaac
Common sense and common courtesy to say that the space above your seat is yours.
Exactly.Common sense and courtesy seem to have been a victim in the race for overhead space.
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Those who place their bags over someone else's seat and then move on to the back are arrogant and foolish and should not be pitied if their bags are stolen by others.
^ I agree.
First come first serve does not mean that you can deposit your bags anywhere on the aircraft even before checking to see if there is overhead space above or near your seat. I find this behaviour to be what, in my younger days, was associated with ignorant people in societies considered less civilised.
There would be fewer problems, and delays if people behaved rationally
Place your belongings in over-head bins above, or at least near your seat.
Place your roll-aboard and other stuff to maximise space use, not based on your convenience.
Don't bring excess baggage on board. This includes frequent flyers, not just those who are referred to with the K word.
If you have too many items, place some under the seat in front of you, not your neighbour's.

Treat overhead space as if it were your spouse/date. Use your own, not your neighbour's.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by Paul56
I travel with medications and cpap (sleep apnea) equipment in my small carry on. (17.5 x 12.5 x 8.5)

There is no way I will place that in checked nor have I ever had
to place it in checked... generally priority boarding ensures this
does not happen.
Your CPAP is an assistance device as defined by the Air Carrier Access Act. The ACAA gives you the right to have that in the airplane with you regardless of when you board or how full the bins might be. The airline must make room for your assistance device in the cabin.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 1:44 pm
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My position is that no passenger should move another passenger's bag. You are responsible for enforcing neither the airline's policy nor rules of courtesy. It's perfectly fine to move something a few inches across the bin or turn around if it fits, but if you want to move something to another bin, call the FA to do it.

Remember that if the owner of the bag sees you handling it, and something later goes missing from the bag, you could very well be blamed for theft.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by nrr
Generally the overhead compartments (sometimes only one side of the plane) can accommodate 3 bags with wheels; anyone who places their bag in such a way that other bags won't also fit is a "hog".
Most FA's, when they see bags that are poorly place will place them to MAXIMIZE available storage.
Once someone's rollaboard handle wouldn't retract so he stored it sideways, and got chewed out by the FA for it.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by alpen1
While I wish there was more order to the overheads, maybe split up Y into 3 sections or so and if your bag doesn't fit within 10 rows of your seat or so then it gets gate checked or something similar. I agree, put your hands on my bag for anything other then sliding yours in next to it and we have a problem. On an EVA air flight in J we were seated near the front of the cabin and had a pax from Y come backwards up the aisle, pull my wife's carryon out replace it with his in the bin then leave the bag just sitting there! Needless to say an FA had to inform him he'd left his bag on the floor in the aisle and it had somehow come unzipped when he'd "forgotten" it
What they should do is make people use their underseat space and no oversize carryons. Then we wouldn't have this issue.
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 5:45 pm
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Originally Posted by fiddlestickies
So anyone with medical equipment, or fragile/extremely valuable items that will almost surely be broken by baggage staff should just take the train from JFK to London?
Yeah--I generally fly with both a big laptop and a DSLR. They're packed for carry-on, not for being checked.
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Old Jul 5, 2012 | 2:31 am
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Originally Posted by emma69
There is one aircraft I fly on from time to time, that has one of the overheads over the bulkhead filled with emergency equipment, meaning that, given there is no floor storage on the bulkhead, the bulkhead passengers have to put their bags a row or two back. I think it is a silly design, but as I like the bulkhead
Sounds like one of the Air NZ A320 configured for international flights where the ETOPS life raft is stored above row 3 on the left hand side of the plane, which means a slight lack of bin space around that area.
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Old Jul 5, 2012 | 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by skylady
Well Max, it certainly depends on how much "space" you actually need. Is it 2 inches, or maybe the full 45 linear inches? We like to call it "shared space".
Exactly. Most of the first couple of dozen posts here called it "public" or "first come, first served", but that suggests there's nothing wrong with putting multiple bags up, or using space in the front when sitting in the back. Whether or not this violates airline rules, it certainly violates courtesy.

I wouldn't ever remove someone else's bag, but I would re-orient a poorly stowed bag (e.g. to wheels first) if that meant I'd have room for my own, making sure they both fit and the door still closes.

While I advocate using space near your seat, so others don't have to stow bags way aft of their seat, specific spots are unassigned.

On most narrow-body planes, there is not enough space for even one rollerboard per person. Typically, there are 2 bins (6 wheels-first bags) for 3 rows of 3 seats (9 pax).
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Old Jul 5, 2012 | 7:30 am
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So what about the FA who, without a word, moved my purse from the bin over my bulkhead seat to the bin across the aisle and forward (to fit a wheelie in the space)? I protested, which got me nowhere with him. Folks around me thought he was out of line...
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Old Jul 5, 2012 | 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by swag
Exactly. Most of the first couple of dozen posts here called it "public" or "first come, first served", but that suggests there's nothing wrong with putting multiple bags up, or using space in the front when sitting in the back. Whether or not this violates airline rules, it certainly violates courtesy.

I wouldn't ever remove someone else's bag, but I would re-orient a poorly stowed bag (e.g. to wheels first) if that meant I'd have room for my own, making sure they both fit and the door still closes.

While I advocate using space near your seat, so others don't have to stow bags way aft of their seat, specific spots are unassigned.

On most narrow-body planes, there is not enough space for even one rollerboard per person. Typically, there are 2 bins (6 wheels-first bags) for 3 rows of 3 seats (9 pax).
I wouldn't move someone's bag myself either. But people should not use first come first served to hog space. The principle of first come first served does not override courtesy. commonsense and rules of decency, as well as carry-on baggage rules.

Originally Posted by Fornebufox
So what about the FA who, without a word, moved my purse from the bin over my bulkhead seat to the bin across the aisle and forward (to fit a wheelie in the space)? I protested, which got me nowhere with him. Folks around me thought he was out of line...
FAs can do that in order to ensure more efficient use of overhead space.
FAs responses are very inconsistent. SOme FAs, when approached for assistance in turning/moving around some baggage to accommodate yours think of it as an imposition and would rather have the passenger(s) do it themselves, while some would insist that passengers don't touch another person's baggage. I have come across both kind.
Another issue is what if your only carry on luggage were your purse plus another smaller item, and you were not seated in a bulkhead seat when there was a shortage of overhead space. Are you expected to move your purse to the under-seat space to accommodate some one else's excess cabin baggage?
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Old Jul 6, 2012 | 1:24 am
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Originally Posted by Fornebufox
So what about the FA who, without a word, moved my purse from the bin over my bulkhead seat to the bin across the aisle and forward (to fit a wheelie in the space)? I protested, which got me nowhere with him. Folks around me thought he was out of line...
One would imagine that you could keep a much better eye on it if it was across and fwd, vs. straight above you. That might strain the neck a bit.
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