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ft101 Dec 21, 2012 10:33 pm


Originally Posted by zcat18 (Post 19902860)
Here is what I find offensive: when people assume that they have the right to demand that others change their ways and habits and take personal offense to a practice that has absolutely no personal impact on them.

Helping to spread the tipping culture to areas where it is not currently practiced has an impact on every traveller to, or resident of, that area.

zcat18 Dec 21, 2012 11:10 pm


Originally Posted by BadgerBoi (Post 19903268)
...and in the process confirming many, many stereotypes.

Sorry you feel compelled to make these sweeping judgments without getting to know me first. I don't think I need to go into detail other than to say I have been traveling and working abroad for 25 years and don't need to be lectured by anonymous message board participants with big anonymous cojones. You are free to engage in judgmental self indulgence and to make assumptions. Leaving one small tip in a non tipping country should not incite the kind of self righteous preaching that has resulted here. You are free to disagree. I will let this be my final word on the matter. I'm sure your intentions are good.

chrisny2 Dec 22, 2012 12:30 am


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 19903180)
Why do you have to cross it out? I just leave the tip and total lines blank, look at the amount to make sure it's correct, and sign. If I sign quickly without poring over the receipt, the employee will probably think I didn't notice the tip line.

That's an invitation for the server to add a "tip" himself. And if you try to challenge it, they show the validly signed and filled out charge slip.

Jaimito Cartero Dec 22, 2012 1:12 am


Originally Posted by chrisny2 (Post 19904045)
That's an invitation for the server to add a "tip" himself. And if you try to challenge it, they show the validly signed and filled out charge slip.

I both agree and disagree. If you rewrite the total on the bottom, I think you're fine. I draw through the tip line every time, myself.

This week I was at an Asian hotel where they charge 10% service charge. They handed me a credit card slip with a tip line. I had a little chuckle, crossed it off, and totaled it and signed it.

orthar Dec 22, 2012 1:46 am


Originally Posted by zcat18 (Post 19903842)
Sorry you feel compelled to make these sweeping judgments without getting to know me first. I don't think I need to go into detail other than to say I have been traveling and working abroad for 25 years and don't need to be lectured by anonymous message board participants with big anonymous cojones. You are free to engage in judgmental self indulgence and to make assumptions. Leaving one small tip in a non tipping country should not incite the kind of self righteous preaching that has resulted here. You are free to disagree. I will let this be my final word on the matter. I'm sure your intentions are good.

Methinks you are the self-righteous one, for acting how you prefer even when the local culture frowns upon it.
No need for the DYKWIA attitude, you're not the only one here who has been traveling for 25 years, you know...

BadgerBoi Dec 22, 2012 2:00 am


Originally Posted by orthar (Post 19904171)
Methinks you are the self-righteous one, for acting how you prefer even when the local culture frowns upon it.
No need for the DYKWIA attitude, you're not the only one here who has been traveling for 25 years, you know...

I'd heard that there was a legendary FT poster who had been traveling for an astonishing 25 years, but until now I always thought it was an urban myth :D

DFW_Airwolf Dec 22, 2012 5:29 am


Originally Posted by CubsFanJohn (Post 19891121)
I was at a Resturant in Nashville, TN about 3 years ago. When I went to the bathroom they have one of those bathroom attendants or what ever there called (I can't stand them) hand me a paper towel. I told him thanks and he asked "Where's my tip. You know this isn't for free." Stupid me I gave him a buck and said thanks. My friends went to the bathroom later on and same thing. Yes they did give him a buck each. We should have complained to Management but we didn't feel like it. We just wanted to get out and continue touring downtown.

I would have just handed it back to him & picked up one on my own. But then again I dont tolerate BS like that & dont mind standing up to bullies & entitlement jerks like this.

GetSetJetSet Dec 22, 2012 8:28 am

I wish the U.S. would institute a VAT so the price would be the price. I am tired of the entitlement addicted service industry. Wasn't 10% standard like 5-10 years ago? Now you're a war criminal if you don't tip every jerk waiter 20% for lousy service.

nkedel Dec 22, 2012 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by GetSetJetSet (Post 19905111)
I wish the U.S. would institute a VAT so the price would be the price. I am tired of the entitlement addicted service industry. Wasn't 10% standard like 5-10 years ago? Now you're a war criminal if you don't tip every jerk waiter 20% for lousy service.

No, 10% was not standard 5-10 years ago; 15%-20% was already standard when I came of age in the early 1990s (at least in the Northeast and West Coast)... that's 20 years ago or a little over now... and people were already complaining then that it used to be 10%, but I'm not clear whether that was recent or whether they were nostalgic for further back

As far as I can tell, 15% is still a perfectly acceptable tip.

Jaimito Cartero Dec 22, 2012 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by GetSetJetSet (Post 19905111)
I wish the U.S. would institute a VAT so the price would be the price. I am tired of the entitlement addicted service industry. Wasn't 10% standard like 5-10 years ago? Now you're a war criminal if you don't tip every jerk waiter 20% for lousy service.

Huh? I don't think VAT has anything to do with a tip or service charge.

mapleg Dec 22, 2012 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by zcat18 (Post 19903842)
Sorry you feel compelled to make these sweeping judgments without getting to know me first. I don't think I need to go into detail other than to say I have been traveling and working abroad for 25 years and don't need to be lectured by anonymous message board participants with big anonymous cojones. You are free to engage in judgmental self indulgence and to make assumptions. Leaving one small tip in a non tipping country should not incite the kind of self righteous preaching that has resulted here. You are free to disagree. I will let this be my final word on the matter. I'm sure your intentions are good.


Never knew there was a rule that a poster on FT had to "get to know" someone before offering thoughts or criticisms.

My final word on the matter is "When in Rome..."

nkedel Dec 22, 2012 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero (Post 19906405)
Huh? I don't think VAT has anything to do with a tip or service charge.

That part didn't make sense to me either, although the "sales tax added at the register rather than on the price advertised" norm here in the US is obnoxious.

(Don't need a VAT to fix it, as a minority of businesses that value quick transaction times over appearing to have lower prices, or which have captive customers, already post tax-inclusive prices...)

zpaul Dec 26, 2012 1:27 pm

This isn't really a situation of overly aggressive requests, but it's uncomfortable all the same. Here in Chile when you pay by CC there's no line for the tip - it has to be added in at the moment the card is processed, so every server, everywhere, will ask you directly if the tip should be included. Usually it's not a problem, but when you don't want to leave a tip, or less than 10%, it can be awkward. Having the option to fill in a line (or not) on the slip or leave some change (or not) once the server walks away is one thing, but having to say "no" to him/her directly takes some getting used to. Luckily (?) service here is uniformly crappy, so I got used to it quickly.

cbn42 Dec 26, 2012 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by zpaul (Post 19923616)
This isn't really a situation of overly aggressive requests, but it's uncomfortable all the same. Here in Chile when you pay by CC there's no line for the tip - it has to be added in at the moment the card is processed, so every server, everywhere, will ask you directly if the tip should be included. Usually it's not a problem, but when you don't want to leave a tip, or less than 10%, it can be awkward. Having the option to fill in a line (or not) on the slip or leave some change (or not) once the server walks away is one thing, but having to say "no" to him/her directly takes some getting used to. Luckily (?) service here is uniformly crappy, so I got used to it quickly.

Can't you say you will leave the tip in cash?

Doc Savage Dec 26, 2012 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 19903180)
Why do you have to cross it out? I just leave the tip and total lines blank, look at the amount to make sure it's correct, and sign. If I sign quickly without poring over the receipt, the employee will probably think I didn't notice the tip line.

That is an invitation to them to add whatever they want as a tip. How would you ever dispute the extra charge?

Always fill out the total line to make alterations easier to detect.


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