Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 27902946)
1- since not QF, this was SA, and therefore ...
2- this can't be SA, so most probably VARIG, operating a 747-200 SA 281: Perth (PER) 3:50p - 7:25p Mauritius (MRU) 8:25p - 10:55p Johannesburg (JNB) Op: Tuesdays and Saturdays only Equip: 747 2. Yep, it was Viacao Aerea Rio-Grandense (VARIG).....however, the aircraft type was not a Boeing 747-200. |
Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
(Post 27903028)
Emergency landing site for Space Transportation System vehicles (not that any emergency landing sites worldwide were ever used during the life of that particular programme).
My other guess would have been Continental Airlines operating a DC-10-30? 6. Continental is correct! Here's the sched.... CO 1: Auckland (AKL) 8:00a - 9:15a Sydney (SYD) Op: Tuesdays and Fridays only Equip: DC-10-30 Note: CO 1 also operated on Saturdays only, AKL 8:50a - 10:05a SYD BTW, Continental's international first class service on the DC-10-30 back in the day was superb...... :cool: |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 27903137)
2. Yep, it was Viacao Aerea Rio-Grandense (VARIG).....however, the aircraft type was not a Boeing 747-200.
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
(Post 27903171)
RG did like DC-10s so let's go with DC-10-30 unless that was too big for the route
RG 791: Johannesburg (JNB) 2:30p - 4:30p Cape Town (CPT) 5:30p - 8:40p Rio de Janeiro (GIG) Op: Fridays only Equip: DC-10-30 |
No. 3 is going to be more challenging. The number of stops would indicate a non-Latin American airline, mostly likely European, operating a milk run not having a large enough market share to run more direct services to SCL or the intermediate stops, so let's go with
Sabena flying BRU-GIG-MVD-EZE-SCL operating a DC-10-30 (again!) |
3- Rio de Janeiro - XXX - YYY - Santiago
we already have one of the two narrow-body jets (leg 4), so this would seem to be a good candidate for the other ... we already have LAN Chile and VARIG, so we're looking for either a a third-country operator (not improbable, but doubtful) or smaller Brazilian carrier ... I'll posit Transbrasil, operating a 727-100 via Sao Paulo Congonhas (CGH) and Porto Alegre (POA) |
Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
(Post 27903374)
No. 3 is going to be more challenging. The number of stops would indicate a non-Latin American airline, mostly likely European, operating a milk run not having a large enough market share to run more direct services to SCL or the intermediate stops, so let's go with
Sabena flying BRU-GIG-MVD-EZE-SCL operating a DC-10-30 (again!) |
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 27903447)
3- Rio de Janeiro - XXX - YYY - Santiago
we already have one of the two narrow-body jets (leg 4), so this would seem to be a good candidate for the other ... we already have LAN Chile and VARIG, so we're looking for either a a third-country operator (not improbable, but doubtful) or smaller Brazilian carrier ... I'll posit Transbrasil, operating a 727-100 via Sao Paulo Congonhas (CGH) and Porto Alegre (POA) |
3- based on the above discussion, I'll concede the point that this was probably a European carrier; the routing was probably GIG - Sao Paulo Guarulhos (GRU) - Buenos Aires (EZE) - SCL
as to the equipment, YVR Cockroach's guess of a DC-10-30 wasn't acknowledged as correct, so I suspect we're actually looking for a 747 ... which means there are about five candidate airlines ... I'm going to go for the oddball and say this was Swissair with a -300 7- that leaves the cross-Oz leg as a narrow-body flight, and that suggests an Ansett 727-277 |
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 27907435)
3- based on the above discussion, I'll concede the point that this was probably a European carrier; the routing was probably GIG - Sao Paulo Guarulhos (GRU) - Buenos Aires (EZE) - SCL
as to the equipment, YVR Cockroach's guess of a DC-10-30 wasn't acknowledged as correct, so I suspect we're actually looking for a 747 ... which means there are about five candidate airlines ... I'm going to go for the oddball and say this was Swissair with a -300 7- that leaves the cross-Oz leg as a narrow-body flight, and that suggests an Ansett 727-277 7. Ansett was indeed operating a B727-200 on this leg. Here's the sched.... AN 220: Sydney (SYD) 6:45p - 9:20p Perth (PER) Op: Daily except Mondays, Saturdays and Sundays Equip: 72S However, our intrepid traveler wanted to fly on a Sunday evening from Sydney to Perth.....so he booked a flight on another airline. Care to guess again? Meantime, we have some interesting weather headed our way this morning with a tornado watch now in effect just to the west of us. If you were trying to fly either out of or through IAH this morning, you probably know what I mean. The squall line with this weather system stretches from east of Brownsville out in the Gulf of Mexico to east of Houston to near Shreveport. The thunderstorms associated with it appear to be intensifying. Looks like we'll get a bit wet here in southern Louisiana later this afternoon. |
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 27907435)
3- based on the above discussion, I'll concede the point that this was probably a European carrier;
Going to guess PLUNA (though a thru flight via its home port would be odd) with the next stop at Aeroparque Jorge Newbery (AEP). Guessing the equipment to be a 737-200.* * Assuming jlemon's guess of No. 7 being AN operating an 727 is incorrect. If it is incorrect, I will submit Qantas with a 747-238B |
7- well, mates, how about Trans Australia Airlines (TN) running a 727-276 on SYD-PER
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
(Post 27908347)
Rereading the question and looking back at the timing (AM departure from GIG), I am now going to say that my original guess of an European carrier is probably incorrect (flight timing just doesn't work? - it'll be 5 1/2-7 hrs of flight and ground time each way between GIG and SCL which doesn't leave much time for the TATL portion). Your guess of a Brazilian carrier is much better. I don't think Varig or VASP would have flown such a routing and I don't know an other Brazilian carriers of the time.
Going to guess PLUNA (though a thru flight via its home port would be odd) with the next stop at Aeroparque Jorge Newbery (AEP). Guessing the equipment to be a 737-200.* * Assuming jlemon's guess of No. 7 being AN operating an 727 is incorrect. If it is incorrect, I will submit Qantas with a 747-238B 7. Another great and logical guess! And QF was indeed operating two flights a week from SYD to PER at this time. Here they are..... QF 22: Sydney (SYD) 8:30a - 11:10a Perth (PER) Op: Wednesdays only Equip: 747 QF 23: Sydney (SYD) 9:30a - 12:10p Perth (PER) Op: Sundays only Equip: 74L Of course, our man desired to fly on a Sunday evening and that's what he did. And I see that jrl767 has responded once again concerning this leg..... |
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 27908459)
7- well, mates, how about Trans Australia Airlines (TN) running a 727-276 on SYD-PER
TN 16: Sydney (SYD) 6:40p - 9:15p Perth (PER) Op: Daily except Mondays and Saturdays Equip: 72S As you can see from my prior response, TAA and Ansett were operating their SYD to PER evening flights virtually "wingtip to wingtip" four days a week. |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 27908674)
3. Excellent guesses all! And I will now say that your original statement concerning this leg being flown by a European airline was spot on! So that effectively eliminates a South American air carrier operating this two stop leg. We also the know flight in question stopped at MVD....but it did not stop at AEP. ...
six other European DC-10 operators come to mind ... let's start with Lufthansa |
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