Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 18132452)
Never saw an IL-62 at SEA; however, I did see a wide body, four engine IL-86 several times at SEA operating a scheduled service to Russia. Unfortunately, I do not recall just what Russian airline was operating the flight!
I'll have to go and look out my old paperwork but something tells me there was an IL62 operator in the 1990s into Seattle from Khabarovsk. I have this down in my IL62 suggested carriers (coming soon) as Aeroflot themselves, but it may have carried on after they transferred services not from the Moscow hub to locally based ex-Directorates which became independent airlines) Cubana it is then, who also had a scheduled stop at Goose Bay on TATL. Even the Tu114 couldn't quite get from Moscow to Havana nonstop, so they refuelled at Murmansk, up in the Arctic. |
Referencing my earlier post (#631), I have confirmed that Continental did indeed operate B747-200 series aircraft. CO first operated the B747-100 model back when the 747 was introduced and just about every major U.S. airline operated the type. CO then phased out the B747-100s apparently in favor of DC-10-10 and DC-10-30 aircraft.
However, when PeoplExpress was folded into Continental, this marked the return of 747 operations by CO. Specific models operated included the B747-230B, -238B and -243B. CO then phased out these 747 models but kept operating the DC-10s until the B777-200 was introduced. |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 18128170)
And speaking of the venerable VC10, attention Seat 2A!
Were you able to come up with the actual routing of the BA VC10 service that stopped in HNL? BA 591 LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD Three years earlier, BA operated a 707 on the LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-TYO routing. |
Originally Posted by Seat 2A
(Post 18132748)
Yes, I was. Here it is from the November 1969 OAG:
BA 591 LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD Three years earlier, BA operated a 707 on the LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-TYO routing. The Sydney run was known as the South Pacific, and had earler been 707s instead, but changed over to VC10s as they steadily came on line in the late 1960s. The North Pacific route was always 707s until it was given up. BOAC did make these periodic equipment changeovers on their long multi-stop routes, and as different crews were qualified on different types, the logistics at changeover time were a nightmare. |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 18132525)
I'll have to go and look out my old paperwork but something tells me there was an IL62 operator in the 1990s into Seattle from Khabarovsk. I have this down in my IL62 suggested carriers (coming soon) as Aeroflot themselves, but it may have carried on after they transferred services not from the Moscow hub to locally based ex-Directorates which became independent airlines)
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../4/1865415.jpg They used TU-154s as well. |
Originally Posted by Seat 2A
(Post 18132748)
Yes, I was. Here it is from the November 1969 OAG:
BA 591 LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD Three years earlier, BA operated a 707 on the LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-TYO routing. Also curious to know what their traffic rights were....obviously, BA could not carry local traffic between JFK-LAX/SFO-HNL but I'll assume they could carry stopover traffic. Were they able to carry traffic originating in the U.S. to NAN, SYD and TYO and back? |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 18133582)
Excellent! Was this a Super VC10 aircraft?
Also curious to know what their traffic rights were....obviously, BA could not carry local traffic between JFK-LAX/SFO-HNL but I'll assume they could carry stopover traffic. Were they able to carry traffic originating in the U.S. to NAN, SYD and TYO and back? The accident to fully loaded BOAC 707 G-APFE on departure from Tokyo for Hong Kong, which had come throuh from San Francisco and Honolulu, and which crashed into Mount Fuji after breaking up in extreme turbulence, had a majority of US travellers on board, including a large incentive group from the Thermo King Corporation headed for Hong Kong. |
CO 747s and DCs; BOAC at HNL
Thanks all for the great historical recounts.
Jlemon: Regarding post # 647. Yes, I think there are some photos on the internet that show some 200ish looking CO 747's. I also remember seeing at one point or another, all versions of CO 747s and DC-10s making their way in and out of HNL. I think HNL was a CO hub sometime ago. jlemon, WHBM, Seat 2A: As a kid who went to HNL back in the day to watch planes all day long, I got to see both the BOAC Super VC-10s and 707s. I would look at the departures board in the terminal and then look at those planes, still remembering that the 707 was TYO bound and the VC-10 would be NAN bound. Those memories are still with me so thank you all for confirming and reviving them for me. :) |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 18131103)
5) Correct! Back during the North Central days, aircraft was a D9S and the routing was DLH-MSP-ATY-ABR-PIR-RAP. The aircraft did a RON and then took off the next morning on a routing of RAP-PIR-ABR-ATY-MSP (ATY is Watertown, South Dakota)
6) Actually, Western never served Cody (COD). However, Continental did. Back when CO had a hub in DEN, their primary service to Cody was provided by Continental Express with ATR-42, EMB-120 "Brasilia" and B1900 turboprop service. However, one summer CO decided to operate a B737 into Cody from DEN, probably in order to try and take advantage of the seasonal traffic into nearby Yellowstone National Park. Frontier also served Cody at one point with Convair 580s but I am unsure whether FL ever operated jet equipment into COD. |
Originally Posted by dliesse
(Post 18135634)
I'm sure I have a timetable from those days.
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...e/complete.htm Click on the date rather than the airline name. |
Originally Posted by dliesse
(Post 18135634)
No, FL never flew jets to COD. WA did fly there way back when (in fact, on the same flight that served SHR in many cases). I don't have access to my old schedules right now -- they're in a storage unit -- but I'm sure I have a timetable from those days. Would have been early to mid 70s.
The route including Sheridan you mentioned actually operated Denver-Cheyenne-Casper-Sheridan-Billings with some flights continuing on to Great Falls and Calgary. This route had been served by Lockheed L-188 "Electra" turboprops which were then replaced with Boeing 737-200s. Perhaps you were thinking of Casper instead of Cody? |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 18138283)
Looking back at an old Western timetable from 1968 as well the Feb. 1976 OAG, I'm still not seeing any WA service to Cody.
Perhaps you were thinking of Casper instead of Cody? |
Originally Posted by Seat 2A
(Post 18138688)
More likely Sheridan or West Yellowstone but even then, I don't remember Western ever serving Cody either. I've got OAGs from the sixties, seventies and eighties and none of them show WA service to Cody. This doesn't mean it didn't happen but as a regular reader of the OAG and an employee working out of Denver Stapleton, I had a pretty good idea of what was going where. We (Frontier) served Cody with 580s but given the size of the town back then combined with West Yellowstone being better suited as an entry point to Yellowstone (and possibly as an airport that was better equipped to handle 737s) is it possible that the OP was thinking of service to West Yellowstone? I recall WA offering a seasonal service there in the 1980s.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 18133909)
Yes, the Supers did all the transatlantic VC10 flights apart from a few early flights; the Standards, with significantly less capacity but much better field performance, were used to Africa and the nearer Asian points.
Yes, this was the bulk of the traffic on these routes, they didn't carry a lot through from London. The Sydney route was very joint with Qantas, to the extent that they had the same flight schedules on alternate days, some days BOAC, some days Qantas. The accident to fully loaded BOAC 707 G-APFE on departure from Tokyo for Hong Kong, which had come throuh from San Francisco and Honolulu, and which crashed into Mount Fuji after breaking up in extreme turbulence, had a majority of US travellers on board, including a large incentive group from the Thermo King Corporation headed for Hong Kong. I also did not know about what had to be a truly horrific accident experienced by BOAC operated B707 in Japan. It sounds about as bad as the JAL B747SR accident that occurred in Japan some years later..... |
Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 18138984)
I also did not know about what had to be a truly horrific accident experienced by BOAC operated B707 in Japan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2515321.stm |
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