Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Mar 13, 2015, 2:46 pm
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First Anniversary: http://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/07/ny...a-mistake.html
Second Anniversary: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5713,6390619
The New York Times article is in error. It was a 737-200.
When it comes to flying waaaaay off course, a Canadian Airlines 737 bound for Cambridge Bay mistakenly landed in Churchill, Manitoba - 750 miles away!
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-09-..._cambridge-bay
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Mar 13, 2015, 11:33 pm
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Most lists of mistaken landings include the 1962 UA flight that landed at Troutdale (TTD) instead of Portland International (PDX). TTD is under the standard approach to PDX, and a pilot following the Columbia River will see the Troutdale runway first.
But how many airlines have landed TWICE at the same wrong airport? I remember that UA did it again, while I was living in Oregon, so perhaps 1979 or 1980. ...
But how many airlines have landed TWICE at the same wrong airport? I remember that UA did it again, while I was living in Oregon, so perhaps 1979 or 1980. ...
Mar 14, 2015, 6:10 am
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The transcript of the cockpit voice recorder is terrifying:
1813:38
CAM-1 They’re all going
1813:41
CAM-1 We can’t make Troutdale
1813:43
CAM-2 We can’t make anything
1813:46
CAM-1 Okay, declare a mayday
1813:50
RDO-2 Portland tower United one seventy three
heavy Mayday we’re the engines are
flaming out, we’re going down, we’re not
going to be able to make the airport
1313:58
TWR United one
1814:35 ((impact with transmission lines as
derived from tower tape.))
CAM-1 They’re all going
1813:41
CAM-1 We can’t make Troutdale
1813:43
CAM-2 We can’t make anything
1813:46
CAM-1 Okay, declare a mayday
1813:50
RDO-2 Portland tower United one seventy three
heavy Mayday we’re the engines are
flaming out, we’re going down, we’re not
going to be able to make the airport
1313:58
TWR United one
1814:35 ((impact with transmission lines as
derived from tower tape.))
Mar 14, 2015, 9:20 am
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http://www.airindia.in/timeline.htm
Arrival of first Boeing 707-437 (VT-DJJ "Nandadevi") in Bombay, after a record breaking non-stop flight from London to Bombay in 8 hours and 5 minutes.
21 February 1960
Arrival of first Boeing 707-437 (VT-DJJ "Nandadevi") in Bombay, after a record breaking non-stop flight from London to Bombay in 8 hours and 5 minutes.
21 February 1960
Mar 14, 2015, 12:17 pm
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http://www.airindia.in/timeline.htm
Arrival of first Boeing 707-437 (VT-DJJ "Nandadevi") in Bombay, after a record breaking non-stop flight from London to Bombay in 8 hours and 5 minutes.
21 February 1960
Arrival of first Boeing 707-437 (VT-DJJ "Nandadevi") in Bombay, after a record breaking non-stop flight from London to Bombay in 8 hours and 5 minutes.
21 February 1960
Both were operated on their respective prime route, to London, but PIA just got there first. They weren't competitive because neither served the other's country. Of course, they were both up against BOAC, who within a few months were about to introduce their THIRD generation of jets on the route, having done the Comet 1, then the Comet 4, and were about to move on to their 707s. The PIA aircraft started a 3 times a week service from Karachi through Tehran, Beirut, and then either Rome or Geneva, to London.
Mar 14, 2015, 12:22 pm
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48. What was the first Asian airline to operate jets?
http://www.airindia.in/timeline.htm
Arrival of first Boeing 707-437 (VT-DJJ "Nandadevi") in Bombay, after a record breaking non-stop flight from London to Bombay in 8 hours and 5 minutes. 21 February 1960
You guys are so good that I really need to be more specific in how I word my questions! The error is on me inasmuch as I figured it went without saying that this question would be taken as addressing the first scheduled operations but I do think that if that's the case I should have specified it - and will endeavor to do so in the future.
So technically speaking, you are correct, VH-RMD! Air India did indeed take delivery of its first 707 before PIA, but by leasing a 707 from Pan Am PIA initiated 707 service earlier, thus becoming the first Asian airline to do so. It's all explained in the link below:
http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=91900 (Be sure to scroll down a notch!)
There's an interesting comment about one third the way down the page:
"The BOAC Comet 4 was chartered and he had said that again would technically make AI the first Asian airline to "offer" jet service, and that would have meant they served AI in the 50s and not later to be the first jet service in Asia, AI website time line seems to be missing some information too."
This might be one for... (gasp from the masses) WHBM!
http://www.airindia.in/timeline.htm
Arrival of first Boeing 707-437 (VT-DJJ "Nandadevi") in Bombay, after a record breaking non-stop flight from London to Bombay in 8 hours and 5 minutes. 21 February 1960
You guys are so good that I really need to be more specific in how I word my questions! The error is on me inasmuch as I figured it went without saying that this question would be taken as addressing the first scheduled operations but I do think that if that's the case I should have specified it - and will endeavor to do so in the future.
So technically speaking, you are correct, VH-RMD! Air India did indeed take delivery of its first 707 before PIA, but by leasing a 707 from Pan Am PIA initiated 707 service earlier, thus becoming the first Asian airline to do so. It's all explained in the link below:
http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=91900 (Be sure to scroll down a notch!)
There's an interesting comment about one third the way down the page:
"The BOAC Comet 4 was chartered and he had said that again would technically make AI the first Asian airline to "offer" jet service, and that would have meant they served AI in the 50s and not later to be the first jet service in Asia, AI website time line seems to be missing some information too."
This might be one for... (gasp from the masses) WHBM!
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Mar 14, 2015, 6:56 pm
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No, there was no commercial agreement between BOAC and Air India for the use of Comets. There might have been a one-off charter but nothing billed as Air India.
Bonus question 1. Which was the first North American airline to take delivery of a jet airliner ? Answered - Canadian Pacific
Bonus question 2. What was novel about that first Air India 707, and why was BOAC not first with this, as once was expected. Answered - Rolls-Royce engines
Bonus question 1. Which was the first North American airline to take delivery of a jet airliner ? Answered - Canadian Pacific
Bonus question 2. What was novel about that first Air India 707, and why was BOAC not first with this, as once was expected. Answered - Rolls-Royce engines
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Mar 15, 2015, 1:41 am
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Bonus question 2. What was novel about that first Air India 707, and why was BOAC not first with this, as once was expected.
I'm going to guess that it was the first to be powered by the Rolls Royce Conway engines...
I'm going to guess that it was the first to be powered by the Rolls Royce Conway engines...
Mar 15, 2015, 12:24 pm
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I believe this was Canadian Pacific with the Comet in 1953. Tragically, the aircraft crashed in Pakistan while on a delivery flight resulting in the loss of all on board. I think CP then cancelled their remaining order and never operated the Comet in revenue service.
Mar 15, 2015, 2:21 pm
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And speaking of the Comet, here's a bonus question....
This U.K. based airline assembled a fleet of Comet jets late in the aircraft's service life. Identify this air carrier and also provide the number of Comet aircraft flown by this airline at the high point of operations. ANSWERED
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Mar 15, 2015, 4:28 pm
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And speaking of the Comet, here's a bonus question....
This U.K. based airline assembled a fleet of Comet jets late in the aircraft's service life. Identify this air carrier and also provide the number of Comet aircraft flown by this airline at the high point of operations.
This U.K. based airline assembled a fleet of Comet jets late in the aircraft's service life. Identify this air carrier and also provide the number of Comet aircraft flown by this airline at the high point of operations.
Mar 16, 2015, 12:05 am
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49. What was the first Middle Eastern airline to operate passenger jets?
I believe this was United Arab Airlines (formerly Misrair and currently EgpytAir) with the Comet in 1960.
Correct! For more information, here's an interesting link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...88198703,d.cGU
I believe this was United Arab Airlines (formerly Misrair and currently EgpytAir) with the Comet in 1960.
Correct! For more information, here's an interesting link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...88198703,d.cGU
Mar 16, 2015, 11:50 am
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I suspect this would be Dan Air as I flew on a number of charters operated by them between MUC and LGW in the late 1970s, but I never counted the hulls. The catering consisted of two seat back compartments each loaded with a salami sandwich. The first was unlocked from LGW and the second from MUC.
Mar 16, 2015, 12:35 pm
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[QUOTE=Seat 2A;24498247]Here's an update on the unanswered questions:
The following 2 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1970 OAG
15. Alphabetically, this was the last city in the OAG receiving jet service. Identify the city, and if you like the airline, aircraft and two cities it was served from.
20. A perusal of the OAG has turned up four airlines that operated 727-100s into San Juan, Puerto Rico from regional airports. Can you identify them?
33. It's a nice spring day in 1986 and here you are looking forward to a nice weekend in Miami when an old friend calls and says she’s managed to come up with a pair of tickets to see Emmylou Harris on Saturday night at the famous Ryman Theater in Nashville, Tennessee. Can you make it? A quick search of your trusty OAG indicates a single nonstop flight between Miami and Nashville. Moments later you’re booked and ready to go. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this route.
MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS
I have made note of my reference sources for each of these questions in case there should be answers different from those I have. Debate and further discussion over any of the topics mentioned in this thread is always welcome!
38. What was the first airline to introduce seat back tv's on every seat?
Bonus Question 39B: When was the first pilot’s strike of a trunk airline in the U.S.? What airline was involved?
43. What was the first airline to operate pure 747 freighters? A N S W E R E D
Bonus Question 43B: Which airline was the first operator of the 747-200 Combi? A N S W E R E D
44. What became the first airline to post a million “L
The following 2 questions are based upon schedules published in a 1970 OAG
15. Alphabetically, this was the last city in the OAG receiving jet service. Identify the city, and if you like the airline, aircraft and two cities it was served from.
20. A perusal of the OAG has turned up four airlines that operated 727-100s into San Juan, Puerto Rico from regional airports. Can you identify them?
33. It's a nice spring day in 1986 and here you are looking forward to a nice weekend in Miami when an old friend calls and says she’s managed to come up with a pair of tickets to see Emmylou Harris on Saturday night at the famous Ryman Theater in Nashville, Tennessee. Can you make it? A quick search of your trusty OAG indicates a single nonstop flight between Miami and Nashville. Moments later you’re booked and ready to go. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this route.
MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS
I have made note of my reference sources for each of these questions in case there should be answers different from those I have. Debate and further discussion over any of the topics mentioned in this thread is always welcome!
38. What was the first airline to introduce seat back tv's on every seat?
Bonus Question 39B: When was the first pilot’s strike of a trunk airline in the U.S.? What airline was involved?
43. What was the first airline to operate pure 747 freighters? A N S W E R E D
Bonus Question 43B: Which airline was the first operator of the 747-200 Combi? A N S W E R E D
44. What became the first airline to post a million “L
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Mar 16, 2015, 2:28 pm
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