Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Apr 16, 2013, 7:23 am
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I'll go with Syrianair (RB) with a departure from Schoenefeld (SXF). I've only flown into Berlin once, in 1969 on a BEA BAC-111 from Frankfurt for a one-day sightseeing side trip (complete with a taxi ride through Checkpoint Charlie to see the other side of the Wall) on my way to the Middle East, but it was to Templehof (THF).
RB flew SXF-ATH-DAM, although I'm not sure of the aircraft -- either a 727 or a Tu-154.
RB flew SXF-ATH-DAM, although I'm not sure of the aircraft -- either a 727 or a Tu-154.
However, it was another aircraft type.......and I see that WHBM has responded......
Apr 16, 2013, 7:27 am
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jlemon: Thanks for the schedule history and your experiences flying TPAC. Let me give question 4 another go again. My guess for the airline is NZ. Now, I am taking another wild guess that the routing did not go through HNL at all. The routing probably was AKL-PPT-LAX-SFO. S2A has a giveaway in his answer. NZ used a Boeing 747-200 for the route, although my other guess is, NZ might have used a Boeing 767-200ER as well.
However, it was not Air New Zealand (NZ).....it was another airline.
Apr 16, 2013, 7:34 am
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However,the northbound routing was different and also a bit circuitous......
CO 16: AKL-SYD-HNL-SFO Op: Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays only
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Apr 16, 2013, 7:40 am
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9) This airline was operating direct, one stop, no change of plane service from Berlin to Damascus (DAM) once a week.
I'll just pop in here to offer that the aircraft was a Super Caravelle ..... because I saw this flight. However this sighting might have been one or two years earlier, 91 or 92. I was in Berlin, had been to Schoenefeld airport (as you do !) and had noticed from the timetable that this Caravelle was still running, operating once-weekly Copenhagen-Berlin SXF-Athens-Damascus. Back in GDR days, only a couple of years earlier at the time, Interflug had also run from Berlin to Damascus at low frequency, this had gone but the Syrianair remained. It would have been an interesting flight to have seen .... except there were no sightseeing facilities at Schoenefeld at all.
So a couple of days later (and I believe it was Saturday, late lunchtime), having forgotten this, I was in the local S-Bahn train some miles north of the airport, heading for Erkner, looking out of the window as we were going along - and there was the Caravelle, inbound from Copenhagen, on finals for SXF. It passed ahead of the train so I saw it from both sides as it descended to the runway. It was the last Caravelle I EVER saw airborne. More recent ones were all in museums.
Syrianair's last two Caravelles (YK-AFB and -AFD) lasted until December 1994, some of the last in use anywhere. They were the later, Pratt & Whitney-powered Super Caravelle. One was new to them in 1966, the other was ex-Sterling Airways. Long-time thread readers here will recall we did Sterling Caravelles way, way back last year, so we've gone right round in a circle !
I'll just pop in here to offer that the aircraft was a Super Caravelle ..... because I saw this flight. However this sighting might have been one or two years earlier, 91 or 92. I was in Berlin, had been to Schoenefeld airport (as you do !) and had noticed from the timetable that this Caravelle was still running, operating once-weekly Copenhagen-Berlin SXF-Athens-Damascus. Back in GDR days, only a couple of years earlier at the time, Interflug had also run from Berlin to Damascus at low frequency, this had gone but the Syrianair remained. It would have been an interesting flight to have seen .... except there were no sightseeing facilities at Schoenefeld at all.
So a couple of days later (and I believe it was Saturday, late lunchtime), having forgotten this, I was in the local S-Bahn train some miles north of the airport, heading for Erkner, looking out of the window as we were going along - and there was the Caravelle, inbound from Copenhagen, on finals for SXF. It passed ahead of the train so I saw it from both sides as it descended to the runway. It was the last Caravelle I EVER saw airborne. More recent ones were all in museums.
Syrianair's last two Caravelles (YK-AFB and -AFD) lasted until December 1994, some of the last in use anywhere. They were the later, Pratt & Whitney-powered Super Caravelle. One was new to them in 1966, the other was ex-Sterling Airways. Long-time thread readers here will recall we did Sterling Caravelles way, way back last year, so we've gone right round in a circle !
So here's an additional question which is not a quiz item as I do not know the answer: What airline was the last to operate the Caravelle in scheduled passenger operations and in what year did this take place?
Apr 16, 2013, 8:40 am
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And here's a visual treat consisting of historic airliner photos shot at JFK and LGA over the years.....
http://jonproctor.net/new-york-city-through-the-years
This is the companion piece to Mr. Proctor's superb airline photos that were taken at LAX over the years along with his excellent commentary which I posted awhile back.
No Caravelles here, unfortunately, but you can view a BAC One-Eleven as well as several Fokker F28 aircraft in addition to a whole bunch of classic propliners, turboprops and jetliners.....
http://jonproctor.net/new-york-city-through-the-years
This is the companion piece to Mr. Proctor's superb airline photos that were taken at LAX over the years along with his excellent commentary which I posted awhile back.
No Caravelles here, unfortunately, but you can view a BAC One-Eleven as well as several Fokker F28 aircraft in addition to a whole bunch of classic propliners, turboprops and jetliners.....
Apr 16, 2013, 8:57 am
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Berlin ........
Another little supplementary, about the visit which I do appear to have made in 1993, described above.
I travelled from London to Berlin on a scheduled jet flight which involved challenging airports at both ends. The airline in question only had two scheduled routes.
Airline ? Aircraft type ? Their two routes ? The aircraft had a maroon and gold livery.
Another little supplementary, about the visit which I do appear to have made in 1993, described above.
I travelled from London to Berlin on a scheduled jet flight which involved challenging airports at both ends. The airline in question only had two scheduled routes.
Airline ? Aircraft type ? Their two routes ? The aircraft had a maroon and gold livery.
Apr 16, 2013, 9:11 am
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Apr 16, 2013, 9:24 am
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Correct! And the thought occurred to me that this may well have been one of the last scheduled passenger operations utilizing a Caravelle.
So here's an additional question which is not a quiz item as I do not know the answer: What airline was the last to operate the Caravelle in scheduled passenger operations and in what year did this take place?
So here's an additional question which is not a quiz item as I do not know the answer: What airline was the last to operate the Caravelle in scheduled passenger operations and in what year did this take place?
Apr 16, 2013, 4:56 pm
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May be my last answer for a few days -- I have a miniature liquor-bottle-collectors conference (the bottles are minis, not the collectors!) in St. Louis this weekend and had to jump on a $142 rt fare (2.8 cpm) STL-EWR-SJU for a side trip to enjoy a day on the beach (and perhaps a visit to the Bacardi distillery).
Apr 16, 2013, 5:37 pm
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Berlin ........
Another little supplementary, about the visit which I do appear to have made in 1993, described above.
I travelled from London to Berlin on a scheduled jet flight which involved challenging airports at both ends. The airline in question only had two scheduled routes.
Airline ? Aircraft type ? Their two routes ? The aircraft had a maroon and gold livery.
Another little supplementary, about the visit which I do appear to have made in 1993, described above.
I travelled from London to Berlin on a scheduled jet flight which involved challenging airports at both ends. The airline in question only had two scheduled routes.
Airline ? Aircraft type ? Their two routes ? The aircraft had a maroon and gold livery.
Conti-Flug GmbH (DD) operating BAe 146 service from Berlin Tempelhof (THF) to London City (LCY) and Venice (VCE). I think the aircraft was in a two class config with a business class and coach section.
It also appears this air carrier flew a round trip routing of LCY-THF-VCE several days a week at one point as well thus providing direct service between London City and Venice.....
So....do I win a fine English ale on tap if I get this right?
Last edited by jlemon; Apr 16, 2013 at 5:45 pm Reason: Correction concerning the Berlin airfield
Apr 16, 2013, 5:53 pm
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Re. SFO-Khabarovsk flights...
5) Alaska Airlines (AS) is an excellent guess as they were indeed serving Khabarovsk (KHV) in the Russian Far East (as well as Magadan and Vladivostok) at this time on a weekly basis with MD-80 equipment. However, you'll note that SFOis conspicuously absent from these schedules.
Thus, it was another airline......so please guess again!
5) Alaska Airlines (AS) is an excellent guess as they were indeed serving Khabarovsk (KHV) in the Russian Far East (as well as Magadan and Vladivostok) at this time on a weekly basis with MD-80 equipment. However, you'll note that SFOis conspicuously absent from these schedules.
Thus, it was another airline......so please guess again!
BTW, S2A was indeed checking in while northbound aboard the "Coast Starlight" train, comfortably ensconced in the Pacific Parlour car with the aforementioned nicely chilled Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Tonight I relocate to Denver where tomorrow I'll board the California Zephyr for the beautiful ride through the Colorado Rockies. That train is not Wi-Fi equipped but I'll be back onboard the Coast Starlight the next evening.
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Apr 16, 2013, 6:06 pm
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How about SAHSA (SH) with a 737.
May be my last answer for a few days -- I have a miniature liquor-bottle-collectors conference (the bottles are minis, not the collectors!) in St. Louis this weekend and had to jump on a $142 rt fare (2.8 cpm) STL-EWR-SJU for a side trip to enjoy a day on the beach (and perhaps a visit to the Bacardi distillery).
May be my last answer for a few days -- I have a miniature liquor-bottle-collectors conference (the bottles are minis, not the collectors!) in St. Louis this weekend and had to jump on a $142 rt fare (2.8 cpm) STL-EWR-SJU for a side trip to enjoy a day on the beach (and perhaps a visit to the Bacardi distillery).
Here's the actual southbound routing.....
SH 419: MSY-RTB-LCE-TGU Op: Fridays only Equip: B737-200 (all Y config)
LCE - La Ceiba, Honduras
TGU - Tegucigalpa, Honduras
Alas, these days MSY no longer has international service heading south over the Gulf of Mexico.....although one can now fly nonstop to Key West (EYW) on Southwest from New Orleans!
Hope you have a safe trip, miniliq, and be sure to have a rum drink (or two) for me in Old San Juan!
Apr 16, 2013, 6:12 pm
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Apr 16, 2013, 6:27 pm
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Well, this is indeed a guess but I know Aeroflot has served Anchorage, so ah mon' go with Aeroflot out of San Francisco, flying up to Anchorage and then continuing on to Khabarovsk and probably Magadan. In 1993 I should imagine the equipment would have been a TU-154.
BTW, S2A was indeed checking in while northbound aboard the "Coast Starlight" train, comfortably ensconced in the Pacific Parlour car with the aforementioned nicely chilled Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Tonight I relocate to Denver where tomorrow I'll board the California Zephyr for the beautiful ride through the Colorado Rockies. That train is not Wi-Fi equipped but I'll be back onboard the Coast Starlight the next evening.
BTW, S2A was indeed checking in while northbound aboard the "Coast Starlight" train, comfortably ensconced in the Pacific Parlour car with the aforementioned nicely chilled Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Tonight I relocate to Denver where tomorrow I'll board the California Zephyr for the beautiful ride through the Colorado Rockies. That train is not Wi-Fi equipped but I'll be back onboard the Coast Starlight the next evening.
However, the aircraft type was different as it was actually the Ilyushin IL-62 (which I've always thought of as the poor man's VC-10). This IL-62 flight also featured an all coach configuration reflecting, perhaps, the "class-less" nature of Aeroflot's services back in those days......
Here's the schedule heading north by northwest from San Francisco.....
SU 810: SFO-ANC-KHV Op: Sundays only
And now it's time to refill the old wine glass and have some dinner.....
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Apr 17, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Conti-Flug GmbH (DD) operating BAe 146 service from Berlin Tempelhof (THF) to London City (LCY) and Venice (VCE). I think the aircraft was in a two class config with a business class and coach section.
It also appears this air carrier flew a round trip routing of LCY-THF-VCE several days a week at one point as well thus providing direct service between London City and Venice.....
So....do I win a fine English ale on tap if I get this right?
It also appears this air carrier flew a round trip routing of LCY-THF-VCE several days a week at one point as well thus providing direct service between London City and Venice.....
So....do I win a fine English ale on tap if I get this right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewers_of_Burton
and the prize is due. Yes it was a Conti-Flug BAe146 that took me to/from the inadvertent Caravelle sighting. Berlin Tempelhof airport would be worth a mention in its own right in this thread, alas closed a couple of years ago. Conti was a short-lived airline, probably close to broke even on LCY, lost much money on Venice. Morning and evening roundtrips to LCY, filled in mid-day on the Venice run.
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=534680