Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
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AM 101: Phoenix (PHX) 1:45p - 2:15p Tucson (TUS) 2:30p - 8:50p Mexico City (MEX)
Freq: Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays only
Service class: Y
Meal service: Dinner TUS-MEX (with tequila for dessert)
Equip: DC-9-10 ("El DC-9-oh")
Connecting to....
QF 581: Mexico City (MEX) 10:00p - 10:55p Acapulco (ACA) 11:55p - 4:00a+1 Papeete (PPT)
Freq: Saturdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service (ACA-PPT): F- "Champagne Supper", Y - "Supper"
Equip: Boeing 707 V-JET
Note: Complete routing for QF 581 was LHR - BDA- NAS - MEX - ACA - PPT - NAN - SYD
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And I do not think United ever called their domestic first class "Executive Class" (see the hint).....
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5. It's 1980 and you've just stepped off a sailboat at the marina located adjacent to the old town section of San Juan. You will now travel to Munich. And this will be a fun trip as you will be picking up a brand new BMW at the car manufacturer's plant in Munich, the BMW Welt, and then embarking on a road trip to Austria, Switzerland and France. Two airlines will be involved with your journey from SJU to MUC with both operating nonstop flights with aircraft built by different manufacturers. You'll also have just under two and one half hours to make your connection. Identify both air carriers, the connecting airport and the different aircraft types.
Viasa, DC-8, San Juan - Paris Orly
Air France, 727-200, Paris Orly - Munich Riem
Viasa, DC-8, San Juan - Paris Orly
Air France, 727-200, Paris Orly - Munich Riem
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5. It's 1980 and you've just stepped off a sailboat at the marina located adjacent to the old town section of San Juan. You will now travel to Munich. And this will be a fun trip as you will be picking up a brand new BMW at the car manufacturer's plant in Munich, the BMW Welt, and then embarking on a road trip to Austria, Switzerland and France. Two airlines will be involved with your journey from SJU to MUC with both operating nonstop flights with aircraft built by different manufacturers. You'll also have just under two and one half hours to make your connection. Identify both air carriers, the connecting airport and the different aircraft types.
Viasa, DC-8, San Juan - Paris Orly
Air France, 727-200, Paris Orly - Munich Riem
Viasa, DC-8, San Juan - Paris Orly
Air France, 727-200, Paris Orly - Munich Riem
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10. Ah, it wasn't Delta departing from Maui, the connection was not made at LAX and the second flight wasn't operated by United. So we can completely rule out DL and UA while the B767-400 and the A320 were not operated on the flights in question as well.
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5. It's 1980 and you've just stepped off a sailboat at the marina located adjacent to the old town section of San Juan. You will now travel to Munich. And this will be a fun trip as you will be picking up a brand new BMW at the car manufacturer's plant in Munich, the BMW Welt, and then embarking on a road trip to Austria, Switzerland and France. Two airlines will be involved with your journey from SJU to MUC with both operating nonstop flights with aircraft built by different manufacturers. You'll also have just under I
I am starting to venture into fantasy land...
Spantax, DC-8. San Juan - Santa Cruz (Canary Islands)
Condor, 727-100 Santa Cruz - Munich Riem
I am starting to venture into fantasy land...
Spantax, DC-8. San Juan - Santa Cruz (Canary Islands)
Condor, 727-100 Santa Cruz - Munich Riem
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1. It's 1963 and you need to travel from Port of Spain in the Caribbean to Atlanta. You've found a convenient schedule involving two airlines with a departure first thing in the morning out of POS. This flight will make two intermediate stops en route to the connecting airport where you'll have a leisurely two hours and 45 minutes to connect. Your second flight will make one intermediate stop en route and you'll arrive into ATL in time for dinner with friends. The same basic aircraft type will be operated on both flights. Identify both airlines, the two stops made by the first flight, the connecting airport, the stop made by the second flight and the equipment. Hint: These flights were operated with a jet aircraft type
the only jet type with variants of significant size difference was the 707 (-100 and -300); while the OAG often differentiated between turbojet and turbofan variants (DC8/D8F, B3J/B3F for the 707-320), I don't recall a similar distinction for the 707-100 or the 720; that being said, there was little if any 707 service at ATL, and moreover I don't think a 707/720 combination would meet the "basic aircraft type" criterion
so I'll offer that this trip started with a Dominicana 720B from POS to Santo Domingo/SDQ and continuing to Montego Bay/MBJ, followed by a straight-pipe Eastern 720 from MBJ to ATL via Miami/MIA
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5. It's 1980 and you've just stepped off a sailboat at the marina located adjacent to the old town section of San Juan. You will now travel to Munich. And this will be a fun trip as you will be picking up a brand new BMW at the car manufacturer's plant in Munich, the BMW Welt, and then embarking on a road trip to Austria, Switzerland and France. Two airlines will be involved with your journey from SJU to MUC with both operating nonstop flights with aircraft built by different manufacturers. You'll also have just under I
I am starting to venture into fantasy land...
Spantax, DC-8. San Juan - Santa Cruz (Canary Islands)
Condor, 727-100 Santa Cruz - Munich Riem
I am starting to venture into fantasy land...
Spantax, DC-8. San Juan - Santa Cruz (Canary Islands)
Condor, 727-100 Santa Cruz - Munich Riem
Meantime, the connection was not made in the Canary Islands while Condor was not involved with this itinerary as well nor was a B727-100.
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1- I think the key here is "same basic aircraft type"
the only jet type with variants of significant size difference was the 707 (-100 and -300); while the OAG often differentiated between turbojet and turbofan variants (DC8/D8F, B3J/B3F for the 707-320), I don't recall a similar distinction for the 707-100 or the 720; that being said, there was little if any 707 service at ATL, and moreover I don't think a 707/720 combination would meet the "basic aircraft type" criterion
so I'll offer that this trip started with a Dominicana 720B from POS to Santo Domingo/SDQ and continuing to Montego Bay/MBJ, followed by a straight-pipe Eastern 720 from MBJ to ATL via Miami/MIA
the only jet type with variants of significant size difference was the 707 (-100 and -300); while the OAG often differentiated between turbojet and turbofan variants (DC8/D8F, B3J/B3F for the 707-320), I don't recall a similar distinction for the 707-100 or the 720; that being said, there was little if any 707 service at ATL, and moreover I don't think a 707/720 combination would meet the "basic aircraft type" criterion
so I'll offer that this trip started with a Dominicana 720B from POS to Santo Domingo/SDQ and continuing to Montego Bay/MBJ, followed by a straight-pipe Eastern 720 from MBJ to ATL via Miami/MIA
Please also note I have always considered the turbojet-powered Boeing 720 and the turbofan-powered Boeing 720B to be different aircraft types. This distinction has indeed been noted as well in the OAG with "720" and "B2F" being the aircraft codes used for the respective types.
So the equipment in question wasn't the Boeing 720/720B while Domincana and Eastern were not involved with this itinerary with the connection not being made in Montego Bay. Please also note the first flight made two intermediate stops en route to connection airport - you've only included one stop in your guess. But one of those stops was Santo Domingo.
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10. American and Horizon Air operating code share service for AS are not involved in this itinerary, the connection was not made in San Francisco, and the aircraft types in question do not include the B757-200 or CRJ700.
And BTW, I do not think the CRJ700 as operated by Horizon Air had a first class cabin - I believe it was flown in an all-coach configuration.
And BTW, I do not think the CRJ700 as operated by Horizon Air had a first class cabin - I believe it was flown in an all-coach configuration.
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let's try Pan Am with a DC8 POS-San Juan/SJU-SDQ-MIA and Delta with a D8F MIA-Orlando/MCO-ATL
the one I was aboard in 2012 (N216AG, LGB-PDX) was all-Y, so if Horizon was flying them in 2005 they would have certainly been similarly configured
- completely missed the "two stops" for the first leg
- I didn't remember "B2F" coding in the OAG until you mentioned it above, but haven't laid hand on a paper copy in a verrrrrrry looooooooong time
let's try Pan Am with a DC8 POS-San Juan/SJU-SDQ-MIA and Delta with a D8F MIA-Orlando/MCO-ATL
the one I was aboard in 2012 (N216AG, LGB-PDX) was all-Y, so if Horizon was flying them in 2005 they would have certainly been similarly configured
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5. It's 1980 and you've just stepped off a sailboat at the marina located adjacent to the old town section of San Juan. You will now travel to Munich. And this will be a fun trip as you will be picking up a brand new BMW at the car manufacturer's plant in Munich, the BMW Welt, and then embarking on a road trip to Austria, Switzerland and France. Two airlines will be involved with your journey from SJU to MUC with both operating nonstop flights with aircraft built by different manufacturers. You'll also have just under two and one half hours to make your connection. Identify both air carriers, the connecting airport and the different aircraft types.
I am determined to pick up the car in Munich. (I might add that the BMW Welt had not been built by 1980 but car pickup was possible in a BMW parking garage on the factory grounds).
Next answer is beyond fantasy land but borders on the psychiatric ward...
Air Canada, DC-8, San Juan - Montreal Mirabel
Philippines, 707, Montreal Mirabel - Munich Riem (and continuing to Manila)
I am determined to pick up the car in Munich. (I might add that the BMW Welt had not been built by 1980 but car pickup was possible in a BMW parking garage on the factory grounds).
Next answer is beyond fantasy land but borders on the psychiatric ward...
Air Canada, DC-8, San Juan - Montreal Mirabel
Philippines, 707, Montreal Mirabel - Munich Riem (and continuing to Manila)