Which airlines have 5th freedom rights within North America?
Jun 21, 2010, 11:41 pm
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Which airlines have 5th freedom rights within North America?
Off the top of my head I can think of these current ones:
CX JFK-YVR
LA JFK-YYZ
Any others?
CX JFK-YVR
LA JFK-YYZ
Any others?
Jun 22, 2010, 7:02 am
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Porbably a lot more than people think. They're just not used due to preference for non-stop flights. An incomprehensive list but in addition to the above mentioned, TG (SEA-YYZ), BA (YUL/YMW-DTW, JFK-YYZ), RG (JFK-YYZ), AR (JFK-YYZ/YUL), JL (YVR-MEX), LY (YYZ-LAX) at least exercised their 5th freedom rights within N. America in the last 20-25 years.
CX also had YVR-SFO which was their 1st 5th freedom operation within N. America. PR actually did YVR-EWR (or some NYC airport) too. QF briefly had YVR-HNL and YYZ-HNL.
CX also had YVR-SFO which was their 1st 5th freedom operation within N. America. PR actually did YVR-EWR (or some NYC airport) too. QF briefly had YVR-HNL and YYZ-HNL.
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Jun 22, 2010, 9:51 pm
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Well, QF already flies LAX-JFK on a 744 but it is not allowed to pick up domestic psgrs. I hope that day will come. By the way, didn't NZ fly YVR-HNL at one point also?
Jun 22, 2010, 10:28 pm
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The US (and the US airlines) are fearful of the competition that international airlines would present if they were allowed to fly pax within the US. I too hope it will happen, and sooner rather than later.
Jun 22, 2010, 10:56 pm
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I knows for which the airlines who has fifth freedom traffic rights to USA.
SQ LAX-NRT-SIN, SIN-ICN-SFO
TG BKK-KIX-LAX
NZ AKL-LAX-LHR
QF SYD-LAX-JFK
FJ NAN-LAX
PR LAX-GUM-MNL
AI DEL-MXP-IAD, BOM-LHR-JFK, HYD-FRA-LAX, BOM-LHR-ORD
ET ADD-FCO-IAD
UA BKK-NRT-SFO, BKK-HKG-ORD, HKG-NRT-ORD
9W BRU-YYZ/EWR/JFK
Well, this is all for now.
Regards
SQ LAX-NRT-SIN, SIN-ICN-SFO
TG BKK-KIX-LAX
NZ AKL-LAX-LHR
QF SYD-LAX-JFK
FJ NAN-LAX
PR LAX-GUM-MNL
AI DEL-MXP-IAD, BOM-LHR-JFK, HYD-FRA-LAX, BOM-LHR-ORD
ET ADD-FCO-IAD
UA BKK-NRT-SFO, BKK-HKG-ORD, HKG-NRT-ORD
9W BRU-YYZ/EWR/JFK
Well, this is all for now.
Regards
Jun 22, 2010, 11:12 pm
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I knows for which the airlines who has fifth freedom traffic rights to USA.
SQ LAX-NRT-SIN, SIN-ICN-SFO
TG BKK-KIX-LAX
NZ AKL-LAX-LHR
QF SYD-LAX-JFK
FJ NAN-LAX
PR LAX-GUM-MNL
AI DEL-MXP-IAD, BOM-LHR-JFK, HYD-FRA-LAX, BOM-LHR-ORD
ET ADD-FCO-IAD
UA BKK-NRT-SFO, BKK-HKG-ORD, HKG-NRT-ORD
9W BRU-YYZ/EWR/JFK
Well, this is all for now.
Regards
SQ LAX-NRT-SIN, SIN-ICN-SFO
TG BKK-KIX-LAX
NZ AKL-LAX-LHR
QF SYD-LAX-JFK
FJ NAN-LAX
PR LAX-GUM-MNL
AI DEL-MXP-IAD, BOM-LHR-JFK, HYD-FRA-LAX, BOM-LHR-ORD
ET ADD-FCO-IAD
UA BKK-NRT-SFO, BKK-HKG-ORD, HKG-NRT-ORD
9W BRU-YYZ/EWR/JFK
Well, this is all for now.
Regards
Jun 23, 2010, 1:27 am
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Yes, you are absolutely correct. SQ has also flies from SIN-FRA-JFK is already gets fifth freedom traffic rights through EU.
Yes, there is correct UA has already flies IAD-SFO-HKG-SGN.
Yes, there is correct UA has already flies IAD-SFO-HKG-SGN.
Jun 23, 2010, 1:33 am
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I am not so sure about that. IMU, US carriers have 5th Freedom rights between 2 EU member-states (and some DO exercise them, e.g. AA and UA on LHR-BRU v.v.) but I am pretty sure the opposite does not hold in North America. Certainly no 5th freedom rights for ANY foreign carrier within the USA: talk about protectionism...
Jun 23, 2010, 1:43 am
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I am not so sure about that. IMU, US carriers have 5th Freedom rights between 2 EU member-states (and some DO exercise them, e.g. AA and UA on LHR-BRU v.v.) but I am pretty sure the opposite does not hold in North America. Certainly no 5th freedom rights for ANY foreign carrier within the USA: talk about protectionism...
As a side note, for purposes of booking air travel, AFAIK, the EU is still treated as a group of individual nations rather than a single entity. Hence having the ability to book a US carrier for flights between France and Germany would be treated differently than the ability to book a US carrier for flights between CDG and NCE.
Jun 23, 2010, 2:01 am
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I have not really heard of people taking US-based airlines to fly intra-EU - at least in recent years, though I have heard of people taking US-based airlines to fly from the EU to points beyond (eg: DL 238 which goes ATL - AMS - BOM; pax booking DL 238 as a r/t AMS - BOM).
As a side note, for purposes of booking air travel, AFAIK, the EU is still treated as a group of individual nations rather than a single entity. Hence having the ability to book a US carrier for flights between France and Germany would be treated differently than the ability to book a US carrier for flights between CDG and NCE.
As a side note, for purposes of booking air travel, AFAIK, the EU is still treated as a group of individual nations rather than a single entity. Hence having the ability to book a US carrier for flights between France and Germany would be treated differently than the ability to book a US carrier for flights between CDG and NCE.
The "Open Skies" agreement is between the European Commission, on behalf of the EU as a whole, and the USA. Though, I am not 100% sure if US airlines can operate domestic flights within EU member-states. Any EU airline certainly can (and many do!).