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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en...ge_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRe..._lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Mar 3, 06, 8:25 am
  #751  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE100K, HH G
Posts: 2,454
While the new pricing is substantially higher, I think the value is there. However, if we are talking about $60/year for Platinum, that really is a subscription. And if I use this for work (as I do), I'd like to be able to do a proper subscription purchase (rather than a "contribution") -- with a clear price and a proper invoice to go with it.

So, to me, apart from the tool itself (which I find very valuable), now that you are going for a serious subscription model, I think you need to reconsider your infrastructure, and allow secure online purchases (rather than moneybookers or often-non-functional Amazon contributions), and provide email contact addresses for support and sales issues.
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Old Mar 3, 06, 10:08 am
  #752  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: NYC
Programs: AA PLT
Posts: 1,122
Originally Posted by tomh009
While the new pricing is substantially higher, I think the value is there. However, if we are talking about $60/year for Platinum, that really is a subscription. And if I use this for work (as I do), I'd like to be able to do a proper subscription purchase (rather than a "contribution") -- with a clear price and a proper invoice to go with it.

So, to me, apart from the tool itself (which I find very valuable), now that you are going for a serious subscription model, I think you need to reconsider your infrastructure, and allow secure online purchases (rather than moneybookers or often-non-functional Amazon contributions), and provide email contact addresses for support and sales issues.
Sounds like you should just use ExpertFlyer, plus it has the added benefit of some hidden classes.
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Old Mar 3, 06, 10:48 am
  #753  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE100K, HH G
Posts: 2,454
Originally Posted by MiamiBeach
Sounds like you should just use ExpertFlyer, plus it has the added benefit of some hidden classes.
Why should I? I like KVS ... I would just like to have an easier process for paying for the subscription. ExpertFlyer still costs more, and has no perceivable advantages for me.
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Old Mar 3, 06, 1:17 pm
  #754  
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,818
Originally Posted by tomh009
Why should I? I like KVS ... I would just like to have an easier process for paying for the subscription. ExpertFlyer still costs more, and has no perceivable advantages for me.
Thanks for some very constructive feedback, tomh009. However, the Tool is intended for personal use of FT members, and, at this time, I am really not in a position to make some of the changes you mentioned. Perhaps, one day, that will change...

Recently, a 'contact via e-mail' functionality has been introduced (by way of a large HELP button in the Tool), and contributing members are welcome to contact me that way, if it is more convenient for them.
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Old Mar 3, 06, 5:14 pm
  #755  
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BOS/EAP
Programs: UA 1K, MR LTT, HH Gold, Amex Plat
Posts: 25,058
KVS,

why does the new version have 3 tiers now? I used to be able to pull PNRs and search for fares, both things are not possible anymore. I really like the tool, but the Plat fee is about what expertflyer would cost. No problem at all to contribute to a great project, but loosing features just by hitting the upgrade button is not what I like to see.
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Old Mar 3, 06, 6:17 pm
  #756  
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Originally Posted by cfischer
why does the new version have 3 tiers now?
In short, because there was a demand for such a tier from a number of users...

Originally Posted by cfischer
I used to be able to pull PNRs and search for fares, both things are not possible anymore.
There have been no changes to the availability of the fares module in the new version, i.e. it is still available at the Gold (formerly Full)-tier level. Please contact me via PM, so that I can figure what may have gone wrong during the upgrade process.

Originally Posted by cfischer
I really like the tool, but the Plat fee is about what expertflyer would cost.
Actually, if you wanna look at the contribution levels in this manner, the suggested contribution amount for the new highest ("Platinum") level in KVS Tool is the same as the monthly fee for the lowest ("Basic") level in EF.

Originally Posted by cfischer
No problem at all to contribute to a great project, but loosing features just by hitting the upgrade button is not what I like to see.
As I mentioned above, you should not have lost features during the upgrade process. The new level is meant to be a way to further upgrade certain users, and not to downgrade existing Full-tier members.
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Old Mar 4, 06, 10:37 am
  #757  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Programs: PC
Posts: 10
Registration code

Hi KVS,

Please send me the registration code as soon as possible. I've already sent you the system code (via PM).
Thanks.
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Old Mar 4, 06, 11:32 am
  #758  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SFO
Posts: 12
Registration Code Needed

KVS, can you please send me the regitration code. I've already sent you he system code.

Regards,
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Old Mar 4, 06, 2:33 pm
  #759  
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,818
Arrow Version 2.0 -- What's New

Welcome to Version 2.0 of the KVS Availability Tool. Based on users' suggestions & feedback over the past year, a number of new features have been introduced, and the registration policy has been revised.

What's New in Version 2.0:
  • Advanced Filtering Options: You can now filter the displayed results in real-time by specifying requirements, such as "availability required in classes X or Y", "only flights on airlines XX and YY", "only Star Alliance/OneWorld/SkyTeam flights", "no codeshare flights", etc. You can also chose which booking classes you want to see, and in which order.

  • New Seatmap Options: You can now view text-based seatmaps, even when the flight is full and a dummy booking can't be made.

  • Operational Flight Info: Is now available for most airlines via Amadeus-TG.

  • My Trips Manager: You can now save your commonly-used routings for quick retrieval.

  • PNR Manager: Is now integrated into the Tool, and features a [Comments:] field.

  • Calendar: A pop-up calendar is now available.

  • Gridlines: Have been added to the results list for easier visual reference.

  • New Website: The KVS Tool Website has been completely re-designed.

New Registration Policy:
  • There are now 3 registration levels/tiers: Lite, Gold, and Platinum. Please visit the [New Access Level Structure] page for details and eligibility guidelines.

  • For a quick visual demo of the Tool's features, available at each level, goto [View Screenshots].

  • The previous Full-tier registration level is now known as the Gold tier, and, if you are an existing user, the Tool should automatically recognize your previous registration. In the event that it does not, please let me know via PM.
  • To verify your registration level and expiration date, after installing the latest version, click the large orange [Registration] button, and then click [Re-Register].

[Download Version 2.0.3 Now].
Important: If you have recently downloaded V2.0.0, V2.0.1, or V2.0.2, you should still download V2.0.3.
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Old Mar 4, 06, 4:18 pm
  #760  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE100K, HH G
Posts: 2,454
Originally Posted by KVS
Thanks for some very constructive feedback, tomh009. However, the Tool is intended for personal use of FT members, and, at this time, I am really not in a position to make some of the changes you mentioned. Perhaps, one day, that will change...
How about at least accepting PayPal? I think in reality many of us are flying for business ...

Will there be a way to check subscription status, either in the software or on the web site -- the level and number of months remaining? And what happens when the gold/platinum subscription runs out? Does the software become disabled, or does it drop back to the base level?
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Old Mar 5, 06, 3:19 pm
  #761  
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Originally Posted by tomh009
Will there be a way to check subscription status, either in the software or on the web site -- the level and number of months remaining? And what happens when the gold/platinum subscription runs out? Does the software become disabled, or does it drop back to the base level?
As I mentioned in the new section on Privacy and Security (http://kvs.unrealnetwork.com/Tool/PrivacySecurity.htm), all information about users is contained in a secure off-line database, and, as such, not available online.

[@:-)] To verify your registration level and expiration date, just click the large orange [Registration] button, and then click [Re-Register].

Starting from 15 days before an existing Registration Code is set to expire, the Tool will automatically notify the user when launched (so as to give them an opportunity to obtain a new code). At this time, it won't automatically 'drop' to the Lite level, so they would need to contact me to get a new Registration Code.

Originally Posted by tomh009
How about at least accepting P**P**?...
Sorry, but, as a matter of principle, I will not associate myself with any company/service, whose reputation and practices leave so much to be desired...

Originally Posted by tomh009
I think in reality many of us are flying for business
What I really meant was that registrations are currently issued only to individuals. Of course, you're more than welcome to use the Tool to help you plan your business, or any other type of travel.
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Old Mar 7, 06, 5:57 pm
  #762  
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Posts: 11,903
Since it's there are now different tiers, can you offer a trial Platinum (eg 14 days) for us current Gold registrations? Don't want to be in a position of paying more for something we don't find useful.
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Old Mar 8, 06, 6:46 am
  #763  
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: YYZ
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Posts: 819
I like the Worldpan TravelAsp text seat plan which is quick to use (no dummy booking!) but some of the letter codes shown are not intuitive. Is there a code guide we can access?
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Old Mar 8, 06, 6:46 am
  #764  
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Originally Posted by KVS
I am sorry you feel that way, but the "effort [I] put" into the Tool is far from being a "one time" effort. BTW, do you also feel "disappointed" by the fact that LH and SK didn't grant you lifeitime *S/*G status and expect you to re-qualify on a periodic basis ?

Please see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...39#post3971539

Once again, I would like to say that I am trying to ensure the continued sustainability of the Tool, and reward those who continue to support the project. The Tool requires periodic (if not constant) maintenance, and the contribution/access level structure has been modified to reflect that reality.

If you really feel that the nominal contribution amounts are not "worth it", just let me know, and I will be happy to provide you a with a [short] list of commercial services that you could consider using instead...
I'm sorry I don't see your comparison to my elite status. You are providing a useful tool to read information out of the internet available for free. The tool requires an effort in form of maintainance and adaptation in case the source of the information chnages, agreed. But I don't see your point where you require a substantial part of the users of this tool to send you atleast 15USD every six months.

I subscribed to expertflyer a short time after it was released and feel that the 10$/month are worth it. I use(d) your tool in parallel, but was disappointed when I upgraded to the full tier aka 'GOLD'. Yes I only paid 10EUR for this, but thought to myself it was value for money.

You have your reasons to change the rules and evry right to do so. I wish you all the best with your new business model.
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Old Mar 8, 06, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
10$/month are worth it. [..] Yes I only paid 10EUR
Very interesting logic ... Fortunately, most users are much more appreciative of the value of the Tool and my efforts related to it. Again, I am sorry about your "disappointment", but it is clear from your posts that its source has nothing to do with the Tool itself.
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