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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Jul 10, 2014, 8:36 am
  #6901  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: AA PLT, SPG Gold
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Am getting an error message (Data Source Error - RD2) when searching for CX/KA availability. Am using Awards-BA/oneworld method. Search for AA/JL/BA awards seems be working just fine. Updated to latest version (missed the 7/2 upgrade). What's going on?
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Old Jul 10, 2014, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by no1cub17
Am getting an error message (Data Source Error - RD2) when searching for CX/KA availability. Am using Awards-BA/oneworld method. Search for AA/JL/BA awards seems be working just fine. Updated to latest version (missed the 7/2 upgrade). What's going on?
The [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engine is currently experiencing intermittent issues.

In any case, CX/KA Partner Award Availability should be searched via the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method, as noted in the KVS Tool User Guide:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX
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Old Jul 10, 2014, 7:00 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
The [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engine is currently experiencing intermittent issues.


http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX
When can this be fixed?
Thank you.
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Old Jul 10, 2014, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
When can this be fixed?
Thank you.
The [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method is currently unavailable as BA's systems are still experiencing an outage.

In the meantime, please use the [Awards/OneWorld] Method.
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Old Jul 10, 2014, 9:41 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
These changes have taken place back in March 2014.
I haven't looked since then. Shame!
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 11:38 am
  #6906  
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club
 
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Location: TPA/ABZ
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold. GGL/CCR.
Posts: 13,252
Hi KVS,

I'm seeing some unexpected results using the tool with BA redemption availability. I was looking for a seat for our daughter from MIA-LHR (25th Jul) and then LHR-ABZ (26th Jul) in economy.

According to BA-oneworld and JL-oneworld there's availability on the BA208 but nothing on the BA206 and then nothing from LHR to ABZ. My gold card is set in the KVS settings.

I called BA anyway just to check and they've put her on the BA206 (which shows no availability for me!) and then the BA1306 to Aberdeen.

Is there an explanation as to why they can see availability that I cannot in KVS?

While this is a positive outcome it concerns me that perhaps other searches I do regularly are not accurate.

Thanks
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by golfmad
I'm seeing some unexpected results using the tool with BA redemption availability. I was looking for a seat for our daughter from MIA-LHR (25th Jul) and then LHR-ABZ (26th Jul) in economy.
Were you redeeming from your BAEC account or your daughter's?

Have you actually verified the booking in MMB?
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Were you redeeming from your BAEC account or your daughter's?

Have you actually verified the booking in MMB?
Hello. It's all from my account. The results I was getting in KVS were from my account and when I called BA they were accessing my account in order to list availability. They told me on the telephone that I had more availability because I was gold but I thought the KVS system factored that into the search too?
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted by golfmad
It's all from my account. The results I was getting in KVS were from my account and when I called BA they were accessing my account in order to list availability. They told me on the telephone that I had more availability because I was gold but I thought the KVS system factored that into the search too?
Was the booking made in V or some other non-redemption Booking Class?
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Was the booking made in V or some other non-redemption Booking Class?
I just checked online and all sectors (including the ones changed today) are showing a 'selling class' of V.
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by golfmad
I just checked online and all sectors (including the ones changed today) are showing a 'selling class' of V.
Thanks for confirming.

V Class Availability, which is used for additional availability in Economy for BAEC Gold members, should be checked using the [Availability/FS] Method.

The KVS Tool User Guide has now been updated accordingly:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#BA

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.0/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Code:
MIA  Miami Intl FL US [KMIA]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
FRI  25 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
BA         206     MIA   17:25     LHR   06:50 +1  744      F9 A7 J9 C9 D9 R9 I0 W2 E2 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K7 M7 L5 V4 S3 N2 Q0 O0 G0
BA/AA      1527    MIA   18:30     LHR   08:10 +1  77W      F0 A0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0
BA         208     MIA   20:40     LHR   10:15 +1  744      F9 A9 J9 C9 D7 R7 I0 W9 E7 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S6 N1 Q0 O0 G5
BA/AA      1529    MIA   21:20     LHR   11:00 +1  777      F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q0 O0 G0
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 5:25 pm
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Thanks for the explanation. That all makes sense now. I hadn't realised that the extra availability was shown in a separate availability fare bucket (V). Come to think of it, why don't the airlines maintain all their redemption availability across different fare class letters? Have they run out of letters or something?
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 11:02 am
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I've been trying like crazy to find a flight EWR-DUS/FRA/MUC-CDG on LH with the new business class configuration.

All along I've been searching using KVS and get these results:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
DUS  Dusseldorf Metro / Intl DE = DUS NRN QDF [EDDL]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
TUE  16 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         409     EWR   16:25     DUS   06:05 +1  343  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     3218    DUS   07:15 +1  CDG   08:20 +1  319  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

And today I search on UA's site and find this:



Why does UA.com show availability in C for this route, but KVS doesn't?

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Old Jul 12, 2014, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by TC610
I've been trying like crazy to find a flight EWR-DUS/FRA/MUC-CDG on LH with the new business class configuration.

All along I've been searching using KVS and get these results:

And today I search on UA's site and find this:

Why does UA.com show availability in C for this route, but KVS doesn't?
LH is offering better availability to UA than they are offering to ANA - this is why.
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by TC610
I've been trying like crazy to find a flight EWR-DUS/FRA/MUC-CDG on LH with the new business class configuration.

All along I've been searching using KVS and get these results:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
DUS  Dusseldorf Metro / Intl DE = DUS NRN QDF [EDDL]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
TUE  16 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         409     EWR   16:25     DUS   06:05 +1  343  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     3218    DUS   07:15 +1  CDG   08:20 +1  319  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

And today I search on UA's site and find this:

Why does UA.com show availability in C for this route, but KVS doesn't?
You can see the same Availability via the [Awards/M&M] Method, so either LH provides preferential Award Availability to UA or UA.com displays 'Phantom' Availability:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.0/Diamond - Awards/M&M]
Code:
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
TUE  16 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
SN         502     JFK   17:55     BRU   07:20 +1  333      CS+
 -> SN     3633    BRU   10:25 +1  CDG   11:25 +1  320
LH         409     EWR   16:25     DUS   06:05 +1  343      CS+  YS+
 -> LH     3218    DUS   07:15 +1  CDG   08:20 +1  319
LH         409     EWR   16:25     DUS   06:05 +1  343      CS+  YS+
 -> LH     3220    DUS   11:00 +1  CDG   12:05 +1  319
LH         409     EWR   16:25     DUS   06:05 +1  343      CS+
 -> LH     3222    DUS   15:10 +1  CDG   16:15 +1  320
LH         401     JFK   15:55     FRA   05:30 +1  388      YS+
 -> LH     1026    FRA   07:15 +1  CDG   08:25 +1  319
LH         401     JFK   15:55     FRA   05:30 +1  388      YS+
 -> LH     1028    FRA   08:45 +1  CDG   09:55 +1
LH         401     JFK   15:55     FRA   05:30 +1  388      YS+
 -> LH     1030    FRA   09:30 +1  CDG   10:40 +1
LH         403     EWR   18:10     FRA   07:45 +1  744      YS+
 -> LH     1028    FRA   08:45 +1  CDG   09:55 +1
LH         403     EWR   18:10     FRA   07:45 +1  744      YS+
 -> LH     1030    FRA   09:30 +1  CDG   10:40 +1
LH         403     EWR   18:10     FRA   07:45 +1  744      YS+
 -> LH     1034    FRA   12:05 +1  CDG   13:15 +1  319
LH         405     JFK   21:45     FRA   11:20 +1  74N      YS+
 -> LH     1036    FRA   13:35 +1  CDG   14:45 +1  319
LH         405     JFK   21:45     FRA   11:20 +1  74N      YS+
 -> LH     1040    FRA   16:00 +1  CDG   17:10 +1
LH         405     JFK   21:45     FRA   11:20 +1  74N      YS+
 -> LH     1042    FRA   16:50 +1  CDG   18:00 +1  321
LH         411     JFK   17:25     MUC   07:35 +1  333      YS+
 -> LH     2228    MUC   09:20 +1  CDG   10:55 +1  320
LH         411     JFK   17:25     MUC   07:35 +1  333      YS+
 -> LH     2230    MUC   12:25 +1  CDG   14:00 +1  320
LH         411     JFK   17:25     MUC   07:35 +1  333      YS+
 -> LH/CL  2232    MUC   14:45 +1  CDG   16:20 +1  E95
LH         413     EWR   20:15     MUC   10:15 +1  346      CS+
 -> LH     2230    MUC   12:25 +1  CDG   14:00 +1  320
LH         413     EWR   20:15     MUC   10:15 +1  346      CS+
 -> LH/CL  2232    MUC   14:45 +1  CDG   16:20 +1  E95
LH         413     EWR   20:15     MUC   10:15 +1  346      CS+
 -> LH     2234    MUC   15:45 +1  CDG   17:20 +1  320
LX/WK      17      JFK   18:10     ZRH   08:00 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX     634     ZRH   09:00 +1  CDG   10:15 +1  319
LX/WK      17      JFK   18:10     ZRH   08:00 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX/##  638     ZRH   12:30 +1  CDG   13:50 +1  AR1
LX/WK      17      JFK   18:10     ZRH   08:00 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX     656     ZRH   16:50 +1  CDG   18:05 +1  320
LX         15      JFK   21:00     ZRH   10:50 +1  333      CS+  YS+
 -> LX/##  638     ZRH   12:30 +1  CDG   13:50 +1  AR1
LX         15      JFK   21:00     ZRH   10:50 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX     656     ZRH   16:50 +1  CDG   18:05 +1  320
LX         15      JFK   21:00     ZRH   10:50 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX     644     ZRH   18:50 +1  CDG   20:05 +1  320
LX         19      EWR   21:55     ZRH   11:35 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX/##  638     ZRH   12:30 +1  CDG   13:50 +1  AR1
LX         19      EWR   21:55     ZRH   11:35 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX     656     ZRH   16:50 +1  CDG   18:05 +1  320
LX         19      EWR   21:55     ZRH   11:35 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX     644     ZRH   18:50 +1  CDG   20:05 +1  320
KVS is offline  


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