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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

Quote:

http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
...
D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

Quote:

http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Jul 4, 2009, 9:45 pm

#2626

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SQ421

So, does this mean that -
1. CX138 departing SYD on 7th July has 135 vacant seats available across both business and economy?

No, it just means that someone forgot to read the info at http://Help.KVSTool.com/

Jul 5, 2009, 1:49 pm

#2627

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by soitgoes

Skyteam award availability interface seems to be down...with error 106.

I suspect it's related to this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/north...down-what.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by soitgoes

Looks like it's just on some routes. Seems sort of random. I'm pretty sure it's just the nwa.com problem reported on the NW forum.

Awards/SkyTeam "Error 106" engine issues have now been resolved:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.0.1/Diamond - ORT: Awards/SkyTeam/US-MYP]

Code:

NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
PAR  Paris Metro FR = CDG ORY BVA
TUE  01 Dec 2009 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------
CO         56      EWR   18:15     CDG   07:35          0   CS+ CA+  YS+ YA+
CO         54      EWR   20:45     CDG   10:10          0   CS+ CA+  YS+ YA+
AF         11      JFK   21:55     CDG   11:00          0   CS+ CA-  YS+ YA-
AF         9       JFK   23:35     CDG   12:30          0   CS+ CA-  YS+ YA-

Jul 7, 2009, 10:38 pm

#2628

trevmar

Join Date: Mar 2008

Posts: 17

Changed Password - KVS remembers old one?

I changed my Upgrades/X1 password to one which a little more secure, after telling my KVS program to memorize the old one. Even when I remove these two lines from the .ini file:

UA.Username=90064737792
UA.Password=bW9yb25uNDC=

(the data in these lines has been scrambled before posting to protect the data therein

)

When I restart KVS it still times out during data transfer. The copy of KVS on my laptop, which never saw the old password, works fine with identical search parameters. The error message is:

[35761] Request Timed out Requesting [3] [2K]

How can I get my KVS program to totally forget the old X1 password?

Last edited by trevmar; Jul 8, 2009 at 6:10 am

Jul 8, 2009, 1:20 pm

#2629

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trevmar

There is really no reason why you would need to edit the INI file manually -- you can change your login credentials at any time by simply typing them in the appropriate fields in the Tool.

Pls refer to http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Errors for any connection issues.

You may also wish to try clearing MSIE Cookies and Temporary Files, although this should not be necessary.

Jul 8, 2009, 6:29 pm

#2630

JerseySlime

Join Date: Apr 2003

Location: EWR - Jersey Shore

Programs: UA Gold, *A Gold, HH Dia, Hertz #1 5*

Posts: 630

Current Platinum subscriber but semi-new using the tool. On QF, F=First, C=Business, W=Prem. Economy, and Y=Economy. When I check for award seats and F and C no longer show up (forget about FS+ or CS-, etc.), does that mean there are no longer ANY F and J award seats on those flights? QF94 on 3 Feb 09, which I already am in a J award seat, shows no F or J award seats beiung available. Are they already gone? Does QF pull their remaining availability until a later date? I already have J award seats to from OZ and NZ from LAX. Just wondering if I can change my itinerary slightly, and maybe fly the A380 back. Already on QF94 on a Wednesday, which is an Airbus day (right now, anyway) and on QF25 on 23 Feb. Used to be 24 Feb until QF pulled the Wednesday QF25's and 26's from the schedule. Thanks.

Jul 8, 2009, 10:17 pm

#2631

trevmar

Join Date: Mar 2008

Posts: 17

KVS, thanks for the tips. I zeroed out cookies, set the permissions more relaxed, and generally tried to get past this "[35761] Request Timed out Requesting [3] [2K]" error on my desktop system.

All the other data fetching is done properly, I have tested pretty nearly all the functions at this point (except MPM and RTW

)
It is only this [3] [2K] fetch which always times out on my desktop computer.

It works on my laptop running XP. Since I run IE6 and both machines, I suspect the problem is probably the Windows 2K I run on this hardened desktop here

I don't use this function much, so I will run it on my laptop when I need it. That is the easiest fix, I think

I am very happy with KVS and will soon be extending for a 12 month Diamond membership. I have needed this tool for some time...

Now, if there was just somewhere on the web I could make bookings by specifying a fare designator I would be very happy indeed. I used to have a Sabre terminal back in the 1990s, and I sure miss it...

.
.

Last edited by trevmar; Jul 8, 2009 at 11:23 pm Reason: correct error

Jul 9, 2009, 11:23 am

#2632

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseySlime

When using the Awards/OneWorld Method, if a class does not show-up at all it simply means that there is currently no award availability in that class on any of the flights, shown in the results.

There is really no way to predict if/when award seats will become available...

Jul 9, 2009, 12:23 pm

#2633

JerseySlime

Join Date: Apr 2003

Location: EWR - Jersey Shore

Programs: UA Gold, *A Gold, HH Dia, Hertz #1 5*

Posts: 630

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

So if I see an FS- somewhere in the list, then there will be an FS+? If FS doesn't show up at all (or C, or W, or Y, as well), then there is currently no F award availability. OK. Thanks.

Jul 9, 2009, 4:33 pm

#2634

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseySlime

So if I see an FS- somewhere in the list, then there will be an FS+? If FS doesn't show up at all (or C, or W, or Y, as well), then there is currently no F award availability. OK. Thanks.

Yes, but for greater clarity: No FS shown = FS- on all fight combinations displayed.

Jul 15, 2009, 7:38 pm

#2635

zman

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 5,630

Differnt fare basis displayed depending on method

TVN and DOTRES brings up different fare basis - see below
DOT Res brings up the 10 day AP T sale fares
TVN brings up a Friday special L fare
I usually do not see such differances in fare basis
Any ideas why the major display differance?

[KVS Availability Tool 5.0.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]

BOS Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
ATL Atlanta William B Hartsfield GA US [KATL]
R/T Jul-Jun

Carrier From To Fare Cur AdvanceP Min Max Fare Basis/TD | Travel Period
DL BOS ATL 137 USD *** TA0WK0W5 17 Jul-21 Jul
DL BOS ATL 262 USD 21 Days UA21A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 321 USD *** LA00K3SJ -17 Aug
DL BOS ATL 321 USD 21 Days LA21A0UJ
DL BOS ATL 358 USD 14 Days KA14A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 485 USD 7 Days QA07A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 650 USD 3 Days HA03A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 718 USD *** MA00A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 852 USD *** MA00UPRJ
DL BOS ATL 1047 USD *** BA00A0UJ
DL BOS ATL 1715 USD *** Y0
DL BOS ATL 1812 USD *** YUP
DL BOS ATL 1908 USD *** F0
DL BOS ATL 2126 USD *** Y
DL BOS ATL 2457 USD *** C
DL BOS ATL 3072 USD ***

[KVS Availability Tool 5.0.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]

BOS Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
ATL Atlanta William B Hartsfield GA US [KATL]
TUE 21 Jul 2009 | THU 01 Oct 2009 | R/T | Economy

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
DL BOS ATL 138 USD TA10X3SJ
DL BOS ATL 198 USD TA10H3SJ
DL BOS ATL 268 USD UA21A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 328 USD LA21A0UJ
DL BOS ATL 368 USD KA14A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 498 USD QA07A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 668 USD HA03A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 738 USD MA00A0NJ
DL BOS ATL 876 USD MA00UPRJ
DL BOS ATL 1078 USD BA00A0UJ
DL BOS ATL 1768 USD Y0
DL BOS ATL 1868 USD YUP
DL BOS ATL 2192 USD Y

Jul 15, 2009, 8:20 pm

#2636

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zman

The TA0WK0W5 Fare has a travel date range as a well as a day-of-the-week restrictions:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.0.1/Diamond - DotRes: BOS-ATL/DL/TA0WK0W5/138 USD]

Code:

TRAVEL_RESTRICTIONS : VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/AFTER
  17JUL09. TRAVEL ON THIS FARE COMPONENT MUST COMMENCE
  BY MIDNIGHT ON 21JUL09.

DAY_TIME : PERMITTED MON/TUE/FRI/SAT.

Not sure about the TA10x3SJ fares though -- but Galileo shows all 3 fares:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.0.1/Diamond - Galileo: Fares/PSH/RU]

Code:

BOS  Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
ATL  Atlanta William B Hartsfield GA US [KATL]
SAT  18 Jul 2009 | RT | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur   AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  --------------------------
DL         BOS     ATL       143   USD                       TA0WK0W5     17 Jul-21 Jul
DL         BOS     ATL       143   USD    10 Days            TA10X3SJ     -16 Dec
DL         BOS     ATL       205   USD    10 Days            TA10H3SJ     -16 Dec
DL         BOS     ATL       278   USD    21 Days            UA21A0NJ
DL         BOS     ATL       340   USD                       LA00K3SJ     -17 Aug
DL         BOS     ATL       340   USD    21 Days            LA21A0UJ
DL         BOS     ATL       381   USD    14 Days            KA14A0NJ
DL         BOS     ATL       516   USD     7 Days            QA07A0NJ
DL         BOS     ATL       646   USD                   60  HHVUS09      01 Apr-31 Mar
DL         BOS     ATL       692   USD     3 Days            HA03A0NJ
DL         BOS     ATL       765   USD                       MA00A0NJ
DL         BOS     ATL       908   USD                       MA00UPRJ
DL         BOS     ATL      1117   USD                       BA00A0UJ
DL         BOS     ATL      1832   USD                       Y0
DL         BOS     ATL      1936   USD                       YUP
DL         BOS     ATL      2039   USD                       F0
DL         BOS     ATL      2271   USD                       Y
DL         BOS     ATL      2626   USD                       C
DL         BOS     ATL      3283   USD                       F

Jul 16, 2009, 11:36 am

#2637

dechil

Suspended

Join Date: Sep 2006

Programs: Flying Blue Platinum (lifetime)

Posts: 221

Seat available

When I look on Galileo or Worlspan I can see that there is only 1 booking seat in First DIM 19 juil 2009 from CDG to NRT (P1)
AF 276 CDG 13:30 NRT 08:10 +1 772 P1 F0

But if I want to see details, on Amadeus, for example, I can see two seats available: there are 4 seats in First on AF Boeing 772

CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
NRT Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
DIM 19 juil 2009

A | E F | L
1 - - + +

What will be the real world?

Last edited by dechil; Jul 16, 2009 at 11:39 am Reason: smiley not wanted

Jul 16, 2009, 1:59 pm

#2638

sbm12

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Location: PSM

Posts: 69,232

Quote:

Originally Posted by dechil

Seat map is not the same as booked. It is entirely possible (and quite likely in this case) that the seat is sold but not assigned.

Jul 17, 2009, 12:31 am

#2639

onlysuites

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Programs: BA Silver, EY Gold, HH Diamond, IHG Plat

Posts: 12,210

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbm12

Seat map is not the same as booked. It is entirely possible (and quite likely in this case) that the seat is sold but not assigned.

Yep as sbm12 pointed out. What normally happens is that people in premium classes don't normally have seats assigned for their flights. Even though a seat has been booked. This is most likely why only 1 seat is showing but two seats are unassigned.

Jul 18, 2009, 10:08 am

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Originally Posted by dechil

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Originally Posted by sbm12

Seat map is not the same as booked. It is entirely possible (and quite likely in this case) that the seat is sold but not assigned.

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Originally Posted by lallyr

Indeed -- in fact, this is question #2 of http://FAQ.KVSTool.com/