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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
...
D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

Quote:

http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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Mar 19, 2009, 12:57 pm

#2431

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Version 3.4.x: What's New

What's New in Version 3.4.0

To address the ongoing issues with Fares/DotRes engine, I am pleased to announce the introduction of the new [Galileo: Fares/PSH] Method, which will provide reliable access to premium cabin fares.

Access to this Method will be available to all Platinum-tier members with immediate effect, and I wish to thank existing members for their patience, while a solution was being implemented.

New [Galileo: Fares/PSH] Method:

Correctly supports fare cabin type (Economy/Business/First) selection
Shows fares that are applicable to the specified outbound date.
Shows key Fare Rules information in the main view (Advance Purchase, Min Stay, Max Stay, Travel Period).

Code:

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------------------- 
BA        NYC    PAR     2520   USD   14 Days  Sun   30  IQ14RTUS
BA        NYC    PAR     2520   USD   14 Days  Sun  360  IRCNA2C      02 Feb-29 May
AF        NYC    PAR     2520   USD   14 Days  Sun   30  ZAP14RT      24 Feb-29 May
CO        NYC    PAR     2520   USD   14 Days        30  AR3S2E       02 Feb-29 May
BA        NYC    PAR     2961   USD   21 Days  Sun  360  IR21RTUS
BA        NYC    PAR     3045   USD   50 Days  Sun  360  IRCNA50

Added: My Trips Manager: Trips can now be arranged in desired order by using the Up/Down buttons.
Added: HTML format for website/blog use option: You can now easily embed properly-formatted results into your web/blog pages. To access this option, double-click the results and select [Copy to Clipboard] -> For Website/Blog Use [HTML].
Resolved: Amadeus: Timetable: Terminal number information is now available.
Resolved: Sabre: Fares/DotRes US POS issue when specifying an airline.

[Download The Latest Version Now]

Mar 19, 2009, 4:43 pm

#2432

zman

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 5,630

[QUOTE=KVS;11440231]What's New in Version 3.4.0

To address the ongoing issues with Fares/DotRes engine, I am pleased to announce the introduction of the new [Galileo: Fares/PSH] Method, which will provide reliable access to premium cabin fares.
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Yippe, Access to preimum fares are back, with more detailed travel info.

Tried and seems to work OK.

FYI infofor the new download, you will have to re-boot after the down load
to activate.

T H A N K S

Mar 19, 2009, 4:52 pm

#2433

narossa

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 150

good job, guys, thank you

Mar 19, 2009, 4:58 pm

#2434

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Original Poster

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by zman

Yippe, Access to preimum fares are back, with more detailed travel info.

Tried and seems to work OK.

FYI infofor the new download, you will have to re-boot after the down load
to activate.

T H A N K S

From http://FAQ.KVSTool.com:

# Q: I have just installed an updated version of the KVS Tool; why am I being prompted to reboot Windows?
# A: You should always exit the KVS Tool before running the Setup/Update. Should you forget to do so, the Setup will need to reboot Windows in order to complete the update.

Mar 20, 2009, 4:10 am

#2435

SuperFlyBoy

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: BOM-SIN-EWR

Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat

Posts: 8,606

Somehow, Sabre/ITN is not working.

Apollo/Worldspan are working.

(Have the latest edition installed, as of today)

Mar 20, 2009, 5:04 am

#2436

pandaperth

Join Date: Mar 2008

Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere

Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD

Posts: 3,467

Using Galileo/PSH I see these fares for LHR-PER on 1 AUG 09 on NZ

but these fares do not show up on airnewzealand.co.uk, or on itasoft, or using any of the other fare methods in KVS

so, do they exist?

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - Galileo: Fares/PSH/RU]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
PER  Perth WA AU [APPH]
SAT  01 Aug 2009 / RT / Economy

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------------------- 
NZ        LON    PER      534   GBP                 360  SAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER      625   GBP                 360  LAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER      675   GBP                 360  TAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER      787   GBP                 360  WAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER     2927   GBP                 360  JAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec

Mar 20, 2009, 7:38 am

#2437

sbm12

A FlyerTalk Posting Legend

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: PSM

Posts: 69,232

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandaperth

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
PER  Perth WA AU [APPH]
SAT  01 Aug 2009 / RT / Economy

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------------------- 
NZ        LON    PER      534   GBP                 360  SAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER      625   GBP                 360  LAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER      675   GBP                 360  TAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER      787   GBP                 360  WAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec
NZ        LON    PER     2927   GBP                 360  JAUS03       01 Jan-10 Dec

What date are you searching for the return in your ITA/nz.com searches? The new method shows all fares based on that particular outbound date, but the return date will dictate what actual fare you get. It is a hybrid between the DotRes and the TVN methods in that regard.

Mar 20, 2009, 9:54 am

#2438

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Original Poster

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandaperth

Yes, these fares exist, but don't show-up by default on ITA due to an unusual routing.

To get them, enter:

From: LON :: HKG
To: PER :: HKG
03 Aug 2009 - 10 Aug 2009

Mar 20, 2009, 5:28 pm

#2439

BlueGirlGoes

Join Date: Sep 2006

Location: Bangkok, Thailand

Programs: WorldPerks

Posts: 36

Thank you!

Mar 21, 2009, 6:07 pm

#2440

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Original Poster

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy

Somehow, Sabre/ITN is not working.

Apollo/Worldspan are working.

(Have the latest edition installed, as of today)

All systems continue to function normally -- perhaps it was a transient issue...

Mar 22, 2009, 8:22 am

#2441

SuperFlyBoy

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: BOM-SIN-EWR

Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat

Posts: 8,606

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

All systems continue to function normally -- perhaps it was a transient issue...

Actually, it wasn't - off/on for the past 2 days (Friday/Sat Indian Standard Time)

Having no problems today, Sunday, 22 March 2009.

Mar 23, 2009, 8:54 am

#2442

Brobbel

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: NL

Programs: FB M&M AA Amex HH SPG and others

Posts: 1,929

Strange!

Look at KL785

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
CUR  Curacao Aeropuerto Hato AN
DO   23 apr 2009

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- 
KL        785    AMS  12:40     CUR  17:55     747  1    J4 C4 I4 Z4 D4 S4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 K4 L4 T4 V4
MP        665    AMS  13:00     CUR  18:35     763  1    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V0 W0 O4
KL        785    AMS  12:40     SXM  15:15     747  0    J6 C5 I5 Z2 S9 B9
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M83  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
MP        665    AMS  13:00     AUA  16:55     763  0    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V4 W0 O4
 -> Nordi 408    AUA  18:05     CUR  18:45     EMB  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
MP        665    AMS  13:00     AUA  16:55     763  0    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V4 W0 O4
 -> Dutch 2995   AUA  19:45     CUR  20:15     ATR  0    K4 L4 T4 P4
MP        665    AMS  13:00     AUA  16:55     763  0    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V4 W0 O4
 -> Nordi 412    AUA  20:55     CUR  21:35     EMB  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
AF        8229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25          0    C9 D9 Y9 S9 B9 Z9 K9 R9 U9 H9 V9 L9 W9 M9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 O0 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 X9 L9
 -> Dutch 942    SXM  16:30     CUR  18:15     100  0    K4 L4 T4 P4
KL        1229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25     737  0    J9 C9 I9 Z9 X9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 E9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 O0 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 X9 L9
 -> Dutch 942    SXM  16:30     CUR  18:15     100  0    K4 L4 T4 P4
AF        8229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25          0    C9 D9 Y9 S9 B9 Z9 K9 R9 U9 H9 V9 L9 W9 M9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 O0 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 X9 L9
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M83  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
KL        1229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25     737  0    J4 C4 I4 Z4 D0 X4 S4 B4 M4 K4 H4 L4 Q4 T4
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C4 D4 I0 Z4 M4 B4 K4 H4 T4 V4 L4 Q4
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M83  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
CUR  Curacao Aeropuerto Hato AN
DO   23 apr 2009

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------- 
KL        785    AMS  12:40     CUR  17:55     747  1    J7 C6 I6 Z1 S9 B9
MP        665    AMS  13:00     CUR  18:35     763  1    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V0 W0 O7
KL        785    AMS  12:40     SXM  15:15     747  0    J6 C5 I5 Z2 S9 B9
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M82  0    L4 W4 H4
MP        665    AMS  13:00     AUA  16:55     763  0    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V0 W0 O7
 -> Nordi 408    AUA  18:05     CUR  18:45     EMB  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
MP        665    AMS  13:00     AUA  16:55     763  0    S0 B0 M0 K0 H0 L0 Q0 T0 V0 W0 O7
 -> Dutch 2995   AUA  19:45     CUR  20:15     ATR  0    K7 L7 T7 P0
AF/KL     8229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25     73H  0    C9 D9 Y9 S9 B9 Z9 K9 R9 U9 H9 V9 L9 W9 M9 A9 T9 E9 N9 I9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 L9 Q9 N9
 -> Dutch 942    SXM  16:30     CUR  18:15     100  0    K7 L7 T7 P0
AF/KL     8229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25     73H  0    C9 D9 Y9 S9 B9 Z9 K9 R9 U9 H9 V9 L9 W9 M9 A9 T9 E9 N9 I9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 L9 Q9 N9 G0 U0
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M82  0    L4 W4 H4

Why such a difference?

Okay, I saw on the FAQ that only one airline had to be chosen at Apollo, so again:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
CUR  Curacao Aeropuerto Hato AN
DO   23 apr 2009

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------------------------------------- 
KL        785    AMS  12:40     CUR  17:55     747  1    J9 C9 I9 Z9 D9 S9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 T9 V9 W9

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - WSpan: ITN/US-TAP]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
CUR  Curacao Aeropuerto Hato AN
DO   23 apr 2009

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------- 
KL        785    AMS  12:40     CUR  17:55     747  1    J7 C6 I6 Z1 S9 B9

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
CUR  Curacao Aeropuerto Hato AN
DO   23 apr 2009

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------- 
KL        785    AMS  12:40     CUR  17:55     747  1    J6 C5 I5 Z2 S9 B9
KL        785    AMS  12:40     SXM  15:15     747  0    J6 C5 I5 Z2 S9 B9
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M83  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
KL        1223   AMS  07:15     CDG  08:40     737  0    J9 C9 I9 Z9 X9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 E9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 O0 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 X9 L9
 -> Dutch 942    SXM  16:30     CUR  18:15     100  0    K4 L4 T4 P4
KL        1223   AMS  07:15     CDG  08:40     737  0    J4 C4 I4 Z4 D0 X4 S4 B4 M4 K4 H4 L4 Q4 T4
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C4 D4 I0 Z4 M4 B4 K4 H4 T4 V4 L4 Q4
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M83  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
KL        1229   AMS  08:00     CDG  09:25     737  0    J9 C9 I9 Z9 X9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 E9
 -> AF    488    CDG  10:55     SXM  13:40     343  0    C9 D9 I0 Z4 O0 M9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 X9 L9
 -> Nordi 522    SXM  17:10     CUR  18:45     M83  0    Y4 H4 T4 L4 M4 W4
KL        1701   AMS  10:10     MAD  12:40     737  0    J4 C0 I0 Z0 D0 X4 S4 B4 M4 K4 H4 L4 Q4 T4
 -> UX    71     MAD  15:00     CCS  17:55     332  0    C4 D4 I4 Y4 M4 B4 K4 W4 V4 O4 X4 S4 R4 U4
 -> Dutch 2974   CCS  20:00     CUR  21:30     100  0    K4 L4 T0 P0

-----------------------------
Another strange thing:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - ORT: Awards/SkyTeam/US-NWA]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
CUR  Curacao Aeropuerto Hato AN
DO   23 apr 2009 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------------- 
KL        785    AMS  11:40     CUR  16:55     747  1    CS- CA+  YS- YA+

Using the award-engine we leave an hour earlier

Just saw that the departure time has changed. Maybe that's the reason for the differences.

Last edited by Brobbel; Mar 23, 2009 at 9:27 am

Mar 23, 2009, 12:06 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobbel

Strange!

Look at KL785

Why such a difference?

Okay, I saw on the FAQ that only one airline had to be chosen at Apollo, so again:

-----------------------------
Another strange thing:

Using the award-engine we leave an hour earlier

Just saw that the departure time has changed. Maybe that's the reason for the differences.

Looks like a combination of systems not being in-sync, the POS factor, plus a schedule change..

Mar 24, 2009, 7:56 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy

Actually, it wasn't - off/on for the past 2 days (Friday/Sat Indian Standard Time)

Having no problems today, Sunday, 22 March 2009.

I have found if you are searching with "**" in the airline(s) box, this frequently occurs. (gives the internet/time out error)

Mar 24, 2009, 5:07 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy

I have found if you are searching with "**" in the airline(s) box, this frequently occurs. (gives the internet/time out error)

These types of issues have to do with your local system and/or network (incl. your ISP's network). As for the use of the "(All Airlines)" option, the more data there is to transfer, the higher is the chance of the local system/network issues manifesting themselves...

Again, there have been no issues with the ITN system itself (or the Tool) in the recent past.