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ffgap Jan 12, 2024 11:14 am


Originally Posted by diburning (Post 35892450)
It's dead because TripAdvisor couldn't find a way to monetize it.

They are monetizing it to an extent. E.g., Expertflyer uses their maps. Probably does not bring in much.

I posting less to disagree with (because ultimately, you may well be right) but more to point out that it's surprised Expertflyer so unexpertly relies on them.

Craig6z Jan 12, 2024 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by pseudoswede (Post 35902844)
This is my reason why I don't really use AeroLopa.

I go somewhat overboard, and use a combination of Seatguru, Aerolopa, and sometimes - SeatMaestro. As many have recognized, Seatguru has some questionable map content, but as you mention the annotations about specific seats is useful. Aerolopa has fantastic graphics, but lacks that extra value-added commentary. SeatMaestro I have found occasionally can validate or invalidate data on other sites (particularly with more obscure non-American carriers).

diburning Jan 13, 2024 4:56 am

There's no downside to using more than one source. Nobody is required to pick just one.

I wonder if TripAdvisor is willing to sell it, and if so, how much they want for it. I have a bit of an idea for a website I'd like to run (but like Seatguru, it probably wouldn't make much money)

Heyden Jan 13, 2024 9:06 am


Originally Posted by Craig6z (Post 35903546)
I go somewhat overboard, and use a combination of Seatguru, Aerolopa, and sometimes - SeatMaestro. As many have recognized, Seatguru has some questionable map content, but as you mention the annotations about specific seats is useful. Aerolopa has fantastic graphics, but lacks that extra value-added commentary. SeatMaestro I have found occasionally can validate or invalidate data on other sites (particularly with more obscure non-American carriers).

Multiple sources are always preferred. I wasn't aware of SeatMaestro until today. Thanks!

Out of my Element Jan 13, 2024 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 35902110)
At the end of the day, does it really matter? I mean is there anyone that is an "active" participant on FT that has ascertained that Seatguru is basically defunct (and has been for quite sometime)? Do you really require "official" confirmation from TripAdvisor on that front?

Regards

TripAdvisor, by policy, does not post on any threads in their forums. The closest they get is to say they are moving a post to a more appropriate forum, but they never ever reply or comment beyond that.

scubadu Jan 14, 2024 6:54 am


Originally Posted by ffgap (Post 35902883)
They are monetizing it to an extent. E.g., Expertflyer uses their maps. Probably does not bring in much.

I posting less to disagree with (because ultimately, you may well be right) but more to point out that it's surprised Expertflyer so unexpertly relies on them.

Honestly, there is a case to be made that Expertflyer is beginning to circle the toilet bowl as well. So frankly, I'm actually not surprised at all...

Regards

WorldLux Jan 14, 2024 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 35890398)
As a recent member on this site I just learned of AeroLopa. It's great although Seat Guru's narrative about good and bad seats is quite helpful.

True, On the other hand, AeroLopa makes it up with accurate seat maps. The location of windows is a nice touch and appreciated by anyone who has had the "pleasure" of a window seat without window. And if you want a quiet seat away from any smells, then picking something away from any galley and restrooms is fairly easy with the AeroLopa.

TWA884 Jan 14, 2024 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by pseudoswede (Post 35902844)

Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 35890398)
It's great although Seat Guru's narrative about good and bad seats is quite helpful.

This is my reason why I don't really use AeroLopa.

What good is the commentary if the seat maps are out of date?

As an example, SeatGuru does not have the current seat map for American Airlines fleet of 219 Airbus A321-200 with the 20F/170Y configuration. Their maps still show the old LAA 16F/165Y and LUS 16F/171Y configurations which haven't been around for almost two years (they do have the correct seat maps for the approximately 70 A321neo's that are configured at 20F/176Y).

pseudoswede Jan 14, 2024 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 35908856)
What good is the commentary if the seat maps are out of date?

What good is a seat map website, no matter how accurate, if it won't tell you whether the front row of economy has a foot cutout to store your carry-on, or if a row of seats has reduced recline? The airline's website will always have the most up-to-date seat maps for their fleet (well, most of the time). I really don't need to know how the window is aligned to my seat within a tenth of an inch.

TWA884 Jan 14, 2024 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by pseudoswede (Post 35909315)
What good is a seat map website, no matter how accurate, if it won't tell you whether the front row of economy has a foot cutout to store your carry-on, or if a row of seats has reduced recline? The airline's website will always have the most up-to-date seat maps for their fleet (well, most of the time). I really don't need to know how the window is aligned to my seat within a tenth of an inch.

So let me bring back the example of the American Airlines seat maps.

aeroLOPA has notes the bottom of the seat maps concerning limited recline and footwell storage for the front row of the main cabin.

For the A321ceo, the notes include the following:


Domestic First
Note: there are no footwell cut outs at the base of the forward bulkheads

Main Cabin Extra
Note: as there is a shallow bulkhead screen suspended from the overhead locker and not a full bulkhead, the footwells at row 8 extend beneath the row 5 seats
For the A319, the notes include the following information:


Main Cabin Extra:
Note: the bulkhead partition aft of row 2 is raked and offers row 8 seats additional knee room

configured 3-3 arranged to a 34" pitch (40" at overwing exits)


Main Cabin:
Note: the seats in rows 13 and 27 do not recline
For the 777-200ER, the notes have the following information:


Main Cabin Extra:
Note, the bulkhead partitions at row 17 are raised on steel pedestals which offers these seats additional foot space.
For the Boeing 787-8, the following is noted:


Flagship Business
Note: there are no overhead bins above 1D/H and 2D/H (The Flight Crew rest compartment is located above these seats)

lya Jan 18, 2024 12:48 am


Originally Posted by pseudoswede (Post 35909315)
What good is a seat map website, no matter how accurate, if it won't tell you whether the front row of economy has a foot cutout to store your carry-on, or if a row of seats has reduced recline? The airline's website will always have the most up-to-date seat maps for their fleet (well, most of the time). I really don't need to know how the window is aligned to my seat within a tenth of an inch.

There's also seatmaps.com which has comment for each seat individually, and is mostly up-to-date. Although I personally find aerolopa being the most accurate and would do some cross check from all sources.

myfrogger Feb 6, 2024 12:39 am

SeatGuru alternative
 
Hi, are there any websites similar to SeatGuru? There doesn't appear to be any way for users to add photos, new reviews, etc and it's becoming outdated. I've emailed them with my contribution as well and no reply.

Mwenenzi Feb 6, 2024 12:57 am


Originally Posted by myfrogger (Post 35974314)
Hi, are there any websites similar to SeatGuru? There doesn't appear to be any way for users to add photos, new reviews, etc and it's becoming outdated. I've emailed them with my contribution as well and no reply.

SeatGuru is no longer supported - updated.
Travel tools forum-- https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-tools-701/
Thread--- > https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...u-defunct.html
By a BA forum FTer -- https://www.aerolopa.com

myfrogger Feb 6, 2024 1:13 am

Thanks! I guess the search didn't like the term "alternative" -- Is there any alternative that you are aware of? Aerolopa looks like a great start with pretty renderings but it doesn't appear to make any effort to help identify good or bad seats.

Mwenenzi Feb 6, 2024 1:23 am


Originally Posted by myfrogger (Post 35974362)
Thanks! I guess the search didn't like the term "alternative" -- Is there any alternative that you are aware of? Aerolopa looks like a great start with pretty renderings but it doesn't appear to make any effort to help identify good or bad seats.

Look at post 25 in the thread linked above.


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