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Originally Posted by bvanderhaar
(Post 24150992)
Any update on this situation? Trying to plan a trip with some potential US options.
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US Air Awards Restored
AA has notified us that US Air Award data has been restored as of today and can now be seen again in ExpertFlyer. Thank you for your patience.
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US Air awards do show up now. Thanks for that.
However I found ExpertFlyer unhelpful for the trip I was trying to research and book. Maybe you can tell me if this is due to the information available from the airlines or if it simply can't be done on ExpertFlyer. I was looking into a flight from Philadelphia to Auckland NZ using AA miles, in mid-March. On the American site there were many options that came up for this, depending on dates, obviously going first somewhere in the western US (LAX, SFO, PHX), then either going through Australia on Quantas, or through HNL on Hawaiian. The AA site showed most of the continental US flights as being on US Air, no problem. Going via Hawaii obviously meant the least time in the air so I was looking at that. However on ExpertFlyer I could not get award information for the Hawaiian legs to come up, at all. On Hawaiian an Economy award codes as 'T' so I put that in, also 'X' as that's commonly used, but I get an error message that 'you must select at least one Award or Upgrade Class'. This search didn't work, either asking for US Air, connecting through Hawaiian (it would show Hawaiian flights but no information on seats) or simply searching for Hawaiian. I was putting various options on hold through the AA site, but the apparent availability changes day to day--even minute to minute--so I was hoping ExpertFlyer would actually give me some transparency as to what flights and seats were *really* possible. I finally just booked a good route, US Air to SFO, Hawaiian to HNL then to AKL, same on the return. But please let me know if I was doing something wrong or if it's simply not possible to do a useful search this way, a problem with the Hawaiian information or whatever. This is the kind of thing I subscribed to ExpertFlyer for. |
Originally Posted by chicagoal
(Post 24178391)
US Air awards do show up now. Thanks for that.
However I found ExpertFlyer unhelpful for the trip I was trying to research and book. Maybe you can tell me if this is due to the information available from the airlines or if it simply can't be done on ExpertFlyer. I was looking into a flight from Philadelphia to Auckland NZ using AA miles, in mid-March. On the American site there were many options that came up for this, depending on dates, obviously going first somewhere in the western US (LAX, SFO, PHX), then either going through Australia on Quantas, or through HNL on Hawaiian. The AA site showed most of the continental US flights as being on US Air, no problem. Going via Hawaii obviously meant the least time in the air so I was looking at that. However on ExpertFlyer I could not get award information for the Hawaiian legs to come up, at all. On Hawaiian an Economy award codes as 'T' so I put that in, also 'X' as that's commonly used, but I get an error message that 'you must select at least one Award or Upgrade Class'. This search didn't work, either asking for US Air, connecting through Hawaiian (it would show Hawaiian flights but no information on seats) or simply searching for Hawaiian. I was putting various options on hold through the AA site, but the apparent availability changes day to day--even minute to minute--so I was hoping ExpertFlyer would actually give me some transparency as to what flights and seats were *really* possible. I finally just booked a good route, US Air to SFO, Hawaiian to HNL then to AKL, same on the return. But please let me know if I was doing something wrong or if it's simply not possible to do a useful search this way, a problem with the Hawaiian information or whatever. This is the kind of thing I subscribed to ExpertFlyer for. Or (it's unclear based on your post) you were trying to look for a class code that isn't supported such as T on HA. T isn't listed for Hawaiian because it isn't published and therefore not shown on ExpertFlyer. Just adding the class as an Other to the Award search won't do anything. |
Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
(Post 24179685)
It sounds like you were trying to use AA award classes (T/U/Z) with US Air operated flights which doesn't work. When you select US Air in the Award/Upgrade search, the US Air award classes are presented to you (O/I/X) and those are the ones you should choose from. The award classes are determined by the operating airline, not the airline whose miles you are redeeming.
Or (it's unclear based on your post) you were trying to look for a class code that isn't supported such as T on HA. T isn't listed for Hawaiian because it isn't published and therefore not shown on ExpertFlyer. Just adding the class as an Other to the Award search won't do anything. The code for economy award ticketing on Hawaiian is 'T.' I am quite sure of this as I've already got this flight and there it is on the itinerary. I entered that in 'other' as the only choice to auto-check is First Flex. If you simply don't have this information from Hawaiian that's understandable, if disappointing. I hoped that it would be possible to search for award ticketing that involves multiple airlines in an alliance, evidently not here. (edited because tl;dr) |
Originally Posted by chicagoal
(Post 24183597)
Thanks for the quick reply. Sorry I was not more clear.
I searched for this route (PHL-AKL with HNL as a connection) through both US Air and Hawaiian, and it would not show me award seats on Hawaiian in either case. Through US Air I'd at least see a possible route (though nowhere near what was really available) including Hawaiian flights but nothing about seats on Hawaiian. Searching just under Hawaiian I got nothing at all, just that error message 'You must select at least one class...' 'X' shows economy award seats on US Air and that worked searching through US Air. The code for economy award ticketing on Hawaiian is 'T.' I am quite sure of this as I've already now this flight and there it is on the itinerary. I entered that in 'other' as the only choice to auto-check is First Flex. If you simply don't have this information from Hawaiian that's understandable. But this was my first use of ExpertFlyer as a subscriber and it's a bit disappointing. Unfortunately, HA don't publish their award availability publicly, so EF cannot see it. |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 24183610)
I'm probably misunderstanding but if you mean a US coded HA flight (i.e., US*HA), surely the economy award booking code will map into X (as a US code) not T?
Unfortunately, HA don't publish their award availability publicly, so EF cannot see it. Evidently I was better off just checking the AA site, as I did, over and over again, until I found exactly the route and dates I wanted. |
Originally Posted by chicagoal
(Post 24183944)
Thanks for responding! If ExpertFlyer can't show that info because HA does not share it, fine.
Evidently I was better off just checking the AA site, as I did, over and over again, until I found exactly the route and dates I wanted. I'm sure you know, but keep in mind that when using any partner airline miles the award or upgrade fare code to search for is the one of the airline you will be traveling on and not the one of the airline whose miles you will be using. If the fare code of the traveling airline is the same for mileage airline for a particular class it by coincidence although some airlines are trying to harmonize their codes like AA and US will eventually. Hope this helps. |
^ Thanks, that makes it all clear. I did figure out what you noted about the proper codes but it was by trial and error. As a relative noob I need all the help I can get and I appreciate the tip!
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Does ExpertFlyer check fare code frequently enough for alert?
Two days I set a fare alert for 3 months out. I set 3 alerts for AA flight in classes N, Q, O (separate alert for each). I just checked this morning on aa.com and N class had opened 1 seat so I booked and held. But I never received an alert. The fare code was opened by AA within the past 8 hours - since I manually checked then with no availability. Now I know that the EF algorithm for checking is proprietary, and I know that they check less frequently farther out - but is that effective enough to get an alert? Of course, the 1 seat is now gone since I booked it - so I don't expect an alert now (today). |
Originally Posted by cova
(Post 24194037)
Two days I set a fare alert for 3 months out. I set 3 alerts for AA flight in classes N, Q, O (separate alert for each). I just checked this morning on aa.com and N class had opened 1 seat so I booked and held.
But I never received an alert. The fare code was opened by AA within the past 8 hours - since I manually checked then with no availability. Now I know that the EF algorithm for checking is proprietary, and I know that they check less frequently farther out - but is that effective enough to get an alert? Of course, the 1 seat is now gone since I booked it - so I don't expect an alert now (today). Without knowing the specifics of the alert we can't help you, please email [email protected] for help. There may be other factors involved such as married segment logic if your alert segments are part of a larger itinerary. |
Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
(Post 24195576)
Alerts are checked several times a day, more so as the date of the flight gets closer. If you want to check to see if an alert would find open inventory if it checked at that moment, you can run a Quick Check from the View Saved Alerts page.
Without knowing the specifics of the alert we can't help you, please email [email protected] for help. There may be other factors involved such as married segment logic if your alert segments are part of a larger itinerary. Could be I just happened to check at around the same time that it opened. I then made the reservation, held it, the ticketed later that evening on the same day. It that is the case - then note sure if customer service can do much - since it would show when checked and not available, and then not available later since I booked it. |
Originally Posted by cova
(Post 24202343)
Thanks - I will contact customer service with particulars. It was a simple DFW-DCA segment - alert set only for that flight - separate one for N, Q, O bucket. Nothing else.
Could be I just happened to check at around the same time that it opened. I then made the reservation, held it, the ticketed later that evening on the same day. It that is the case - then note sure if customer service can do much - since it would show when checked and not available, and then not available later since I booked it. The alert if very clear in my alert settings. Will report back when I get Feedback from EF. |
Originally Posted by cova
(Post 24206669)
AA opened another N class seat this morning and I am not getting an alert.
As an experiment, seeing as it no longer matters to you, you might want to see what happens over the next 24 hours. |
expert flyer [finding"C" availability for AA]
Has anyone else had trouble seeing C availability on EF lately for AA for international flights? I am on 137 later this month and 50 in a couple months and C does not even appear in flight availability( A shows Up). Am I doing something wrong?
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