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Originally Posted by murphy
Which features in Maxthon do you like more than IE7? I'm just curious, as I'm not a big fan of those IE wrappers like Maxthon and Avant.
For everyone who DOESN'T want to upgrade to IE7, be advised that MS will be pushing it as a high priority update. There's a separate notification, but you'll want to keep your eyes peeled. Details here. Maxthon i smuch better than Avant BTW, it doesnt feel or operate like "wrapper" at all. It alway has felt like what Microsoft should have been doing in the first place but was too lax to. |
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I am running both IE7 and Firefox 2.0. I prefer Firefox because of all of the great extensions available. IE7 is much improved over 6.0, but still gotta love those Firefox skins and extensions. |
Originally Posted by ScottC
IE6 is finally pretty much locked down.
---------------- Regarding RSS feeds, I still don't understand why people want to read RSS feeds in their web browser. I just subscribe to them and read them in t-bird, which seems to be well-suited to the task. Of course, I don't expect "my way" to be the "only way" or the right way for anybody else. But the "what's new" for FF 2.0 has this: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0/releasenotes/ Previewing and subscribing to Web feeds: Users can decide how to handle Web feeds (like this one), either subscribing to them via a Web service or in a standalone RSS reader, or adding them as Live Bookmarks. My Yahoo!, Bloglines and Google Reader come pre-loaded as Web service options, but users can add any Web service that handles RSS feeds. As somebody posted earlier, the live bookmark thing has been there for some time now? -David |
Originally Posted by LIH Prem
hmmmm. Refer to doc's "opinion as fact" post, I guess. :)
Of course, people will always try and find other holes, but after several years most of them have been found and plugged. In the case of IE7 there are many new features, and with Microsoft more features = more vulnerabilities. |
I used the IE7 beta for months and have been pleases with the official IE7 since for a week or so. So far it has worked fine for all browsing.
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Strange how quiet the OP has been considering that real-world experience has served to disprove several of those assertions. Oh well...
And RSS with a good browser/reader is a joy. Flock is an AWESOME RSS reader, I can scan the feed in a few seconds and get the basics of what's going on. Outlook 2k7 has an RSS reader as well but I am not a fan. Just not as usable. |
Microsoft has denied that a there is an exploitable vulnerability in Internet Explorer 7. However, security firm Secunia which reported the bug is standing by its original claim.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/96157/mi...bug-claim.html |
Originally Posted by MisterNice
I used the IE7 beta for months and have been pleased with the official IE7 since for a week or so. So far it has worked fine for all browsing.
MisterNice Yes, indeed, most folks I know have had similarly good experiences. ---
Originally Posted by kanebear
Strange how quiet the OP has been considering that real-world experience has served to disprove several of those assertions. Oh well...
And RSS with a good browser/reader is a joy. Flock is an AWESOME RSS reader, I can scan the feed in a few seconds and get the basics of what's going on. Outlook 2k7 has an RSS reader as well but I am not a fan. Just not as usable. ---- Disprove? What? Really? How so? Please tell us all about this "real-world experience" and how it has served to 'disprove' those assertions..." that I'd supposedly made, thanks. This again is what I'd posted: ---
Originally Posted by doc
Well MS has officially released IE7 now:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...s/default.mspx So it's a bit early! LOL! Anyway, version # 7 finally catches IE up with the common browser features, including tabbed windows and it also offers improved Web standards support I think its also somewhat more secure by default. I'd download it, if you're running Windows, since it's free! LOL! Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP Fact Sheet http://home.nestor.minsk.by/computer...6/10/1906.html Yes, I like this browser! :) Mark and ---
Originally Posted by doc
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Well, nah, not 'zippy-er' enough, unfortunately, AFAIK! ---- ...Thomas Kristensen, Secunia's chief technology officer, told CSOnline.com that "it is hard to exploit the flaw because it requires the attacker to lure someone to a malicious site, and for the attacker to know what other secure site the visitor might simultaneously have open". Last year Secunia found the same flaw in Internet Explorer 6, but it remains unpatched by Microsoft.... http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...851102498.html --- Nonetheless, yes, they surely should have caught this because it is a bit embarassing, I think! Of course, IE6 itself was nothing to be very pround of either! As I alluded to above, if you've been using IE6, and last I heard about 85% of users were, I strongly recommend promptly upgrading to IE7. While it is not earth shattering in its advancements, it is a fine, current browser, with features one expects today like tabbed browsing, an ability to locate/display RSS feeds, and built-in websearch. And regardless of the smart arse comments, it indisputedly has far better security compared to its predecessor, including a built-in phishing filter to help users detect and thus avoid malicious sites. Does the not yet even released Firefox 2.0 even have an integrated RSS reader? Not that I know of! Again, little doubt that IE7 offers a colossal improvement in the user interface. Again, concerning security, little doubt that the code auditing with IE7 was far more rigorous than in the past. IMHO, even those using alternative browsers such as Firefox will still want to trash IE6 by installing IE7, as long as you ever intend to use IE for anything at all. Would anyone dispute this? Of course, IE7 only works with SP2, so if some some reason you haven't yet done so (and I can't imagine why), you'll need to install that too - also a really good thing IMHO! LOL!! Have a great weekend Mark Once again, I stand behind what I've said here. While I'll always continue to keep an open mind, I'm not at all swayed thusfar, by the presumably objective comments of you and your cohorts. In fact, if I didn't know better, I'd perhaps suspect that you're again ranting in still another effort to bait me! LOL!!! Although I surely have no evidence to dispute it, and this last post of yours appears to support it, perhaps I shouldn't comment upon your earlier remark claiming that you "have not always shown the best judgment" as this might be deemed a TOS violation. LOL!! FYI, in contrast to being so "quiet", I've simply tried to help keep the discussion on topic as well as civil, but, as you know, I can't do that all alone, can I? It seems increasingly apparent that you and I not only have different experiences and different attitudes, but that we also may well each reside in a different "real world." Thanks again, Mark |
Originally Posted by KevAZ
Get it one day in advance
I am running both IE7 and Firefox 2.0. I prefer Firefox because of all of the great extensions available. IE7 is much improved over 6.0, but still gotta love those Firefox skins and extensions. Yeah, its really nice to have a choice among a few good ones. This brief article I saw this morning offers a simple comparison, FWIW... --- Explorer and Firefox duke it out http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...z/4282263.html |
Originally Posted by doc
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Disprove? What? Really? How so? Please tell us all about this "real-world experience" and how it has served to 'disprove' those assertions..." that I'd supposedly made, thanks. This again is what I'd posted: <snip> I'm frankly astonished you think I'm trying to bait you. My overriding concern is to ensure that FTers who come here for advice know the caveats inherent in taking such action as upgrading any software. Blind recommendations as you've made are dangerous and capricious. One with real world experience would never recommend such action without at least a cursory inquiry as to the user's environment. Furthermore, one with experience would not state an absolute when it comes to IT and computers. Such absolutes simply don't exist in the desktop IT environment. Every user, every computer, is different. You hopefully would never issue a blanket prescription for Viagra without knowing anything about your patient, not even their age! Yet that's exactly what you've done here. Poor practice for a doctor and/or someone who proclaims IT experience. My apologies if I've seemed rude, curt, etc. I've simply seen and fixed too many botched installations and picked up the pieces from such upgrades too many times after such well meaning yet uninformed suggestions. It's frustrating in the extreme and potentially costly for the affected user. That, again, is the real world in which I live. |
I just started using 7, and I have to say I like it. I've been using FF recently, and will likely continue to do so since it has all my passwords and 'remember me' type stuff in it (just non-important sites, no banking or any of that stuff). But 7 does seem to be a bit faster when switching sites/loading pages. Whereas before I hated IE, MS has now made it good enough that I don't consider FF or IE be any better or worse, for my purposes at least.
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Work has forbidden us to download IE7, as it does not yet play nicely with some of our intranet applications. So there's no point for me to download it at home either, as I often VPN into the office on days I work from home.
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Note that I did say "pretty much" ;). And I'd like to think that it is FACT unless you can show me a list of major vulnerabilities left unfixed in IE6?
It's not the problems they already know about (even though uSoft has been slow to fix several known vulnerabilities). It's the one's they don't know about and the one's they haven't bothered to patch. You can't assume that just because they've plugged lots of known vulnerabilities that makes it secure. IE is so integrated into the OS, there's tons of ways to invoke the code and use the code, and new vulnerabilities are being found all the time. By your logic, Scott, they could have found all the known vulnerabilities and fixed them all at once, and since there was no list of new vulnerabilities they can declare it secure and be done with it. We all know that's not how it works. The only fact here is that if you keep up with the monthly security updates, you can feel reasonably secure that you've applied patches for all the vulnerabilities that uSoft has chosen to fix, up to that point. And that's pretty much the best you can do as a normal user, other than to not use it by choice, but still that doesn't make you secure, since the code is used even when you don't specifically use IE. -David |
Who is uSoft?
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u = shorthand for micro, so uSoft is my shorthand for Microsoft.
-David |
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