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ScottC Oct 21, 2006 11:43 am


Originally Posted by DeafFlyer
What's the harm in upgrading, especially if you will only use it once in a while? Eventually 6 won't be supported anymore. I use Firefox on one PC and Opera on another. Both are still better than IE7, but I upgraded anyways.

It's Microsoft. So with new features come new problems and security issues. IE6 is finally pretty much locked down. After 2 or 3 years and around 100 hotfixes and patches the browser has just a few vulnerabilities. Some of the vulnerabilities in IE6 were terrible.

If you use your computer for business or have stuff on it that you wouldn't want to be left out in the open I'd wait a few months to see how Microsoft did. I'm sure there will be some patches within a few weeks. And you can rest assured that the hacker/cracker/phreak scene is working hard at finding every single hole there is in the browser.

tonerman Oct 21, 2006 12:55 pm

I upgraded and it didnt seem to be any trouble or wait, total maybe ten minutes. I like it

Of course I am not really worried about anything on my computer so the security thing doesnt bother me at all.

redbeard911 Oct 21, 2006 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
Personally I only ever start IE when I need to use Windowsupdate or OWA. Other than that I prefer Firefox.

I use the IE Tab add-in. For sites that must use IE6 it works like a charm.

But i'm sure that you already knew that. ;)

ozstamps Oct 22, 2006 5:40 am

Interesting thread.

I downloaded 1e7 this week as I saw it mentioned somewhere else on FT, and I just assumed it was a better system. (And I do not like Firefox)

1 - The FIRST thing I notice with it is that the text on boards like FT is definitely "fuzzier" and far less sharp to the eye than it was on 6.

i.e. what I am typing now is not as crisp - nowhere near. I am near computer illiterate, and maybe I just need to change some settings to fix that, (advice appreciated if i do!) but right now that is the main downside.

2 - All the little function boxes across the top are now gone. :mad:

The web address you are looking at is across the top right now.

I tried to get things back but see you only have the usual Tool-bar options under menu bar.

So right now instead of going up top to "FILE" then "PRINT" as I once could, and make some choices, all I have now is a printer icon image. Click on that and EVERYTHING on the webpage prints - even if that is 10 pages of it. Darn annoying. (And expensive) And I can't choose my BW or colour printer up front as required for different jobs.

I am worried if I un-install, it will be a mess.

Wish I had read this thread first. :D

Thoughts?

Also the top left back and forward buttons are both the same blue as rest of the top, look weird, and really are not as intuitive as the old ones were. WHY they mess with design and colour of basic things like that amazes me.

Aus_Mal Oct 22, 2006 6:37 am


Originally Posted by ozstamps
1 - The FIRST thing I notice with it is that the text on boards like FT is definitely "fuzzier" and far less sharp to the eye than it was on 6.

This is caused by Cleartype. Go into the Help of IE and do a search on ClearType for how to resolve.

Originally Posted by ozstamps
2 - All the little function boxes across the top are now gone. :mad:
The web address you are looking at is across the top right now.

Not sure how to get them back (if you can)

Originally Posted by ozstamps
So right now instead of going up top to "FILE" then "PRINT" as I once could, and make some choices, all I have now is a printer icon image. Click on that and EVERYTHING on the webpage prints

Sounds like you're missing your Menu bar. Try clicking anywhere grey up the top with your right mouse button and tick the Menu Bar selection.

Originally Posted by ozstamps
Also the top left back and forward buttons are both the same blue as rest of the top, look weird, and really are not as intuitive as the old ones were.

Do agree.

ozstamps Oct 22, 2006 6:55 am


Originally Posted by Aus_Mal

This is caused by Cleartype. Go into the Help of IE and do a search on ClearType for how to resolve.

The info on this board is amazing. ^

OK - that lead seems to be exactly what the issue is - for anyone else that needs a VERY quick fix visit:

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...ner/Step1.aspx

I'll play around with oher settings now, given your advice. :cool:

oldjack Oct 22, 2006 8:00 am


Originally Posted by CPRich
That's just too funny. When is FF2 being released......

Oct 24. I read somewhere--I think in Dvorak's blog--that RC3 (now available) is the same as the final version, but I'm waiting for the auto-update on the offchance that one or more third-party-developed extensions might not yet be finished. Here's what's new:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox...otes/#whatsnew


Originally Posted by ozstamps
The info on this board is amazing. ^

OK - that lead seems to be exactly what the issue is - for anyone else that needs a VERY quick fix visit:

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...ner/Step1.aspx

I'll play around with oher settings now, given your advice. :cool:

The following is not directed at the poster--it is directed at anybody who is reading this thread who does not know about Cleartype:

Please do not assume that turning off Cleartype is a "fix". If your Cleartype is already on, you may notice unwanted jaggedness in your fonts if you turn it off. If you follow the link mentioned in the previous post, you may see an unchecked box and incorrectly assume that your Cleartype is off, even though it may actually be on (the link mentioned in the previous post is for "tuning" Cleartype). You can check whether Cleartype is on or off by going here:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeFAQ.mspx
and clicking on : "How do I turn it on?" Once you know whether your computer has it turned on or off, you can try it both ways, decide which you like better, and use the tuner page mentioned in the previous post if you wish to use it.

General info about Cleartype:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx

DeafFlyer Oct 23, 2006 5:13 am


Originally Posted by ozstamps
Interesting thread.

I downloaded 1e7 this week as I saw it mentioned somewhere else on FT, and I just assumed it was a better system. (And I do not like Firefox)

1 - The FIRST thing I notice with it is that the text on boards like FT is definitely "fuzzier" and far less sharp to the eye than it was on 6.

i.e. what I am typing now is not as crisp - nowhere near. I am near computer illiterate, and maybe I just need to change some settings to fix that, (advice appreciated if i do!) but right now that is the main downside.

Click "Tools" in the drop down click "internet options" then on top of the resulting box click the "advanced" tab. Scroll through the options for "cleartype" and check or uncheck the box for it, depending on which way it is set now.


2 - All the little function boxes across the top are now gone. :mad:

The web address you are looking at is across the top right now.

I tried to get things back but see you only have the usual Tool-bar options under menu bar.

So right now instead of going up top to "FILE" then "PRINT" as I once could, and make some choices, all I have now is a printer icon image. Click on that and EVERYTHING on the webpage prints - even if that is 10 pages of it. Darn annoying. (And expensive) And I can't choose my BW or colour printer up front as required for different jobs.

I am worried if I un-install, it will be a mess.

Wish I had read this thread first. :D

Thoughts?

Also the top left back and forward buttons are both the same blue as rest of the top, look weird, and really are not as intuitive as the old ones were. WHY they mess with design and colour of basic things like that amazes me.
All those things are still there, they're just hidden. Right click one of the top toolbars and uncheck the "lock the toolbars". Then you will see dotted vertical lines. Click and hold the one next to "home" and drag it left. You can do the same with the other parts to set them up how you want to. When done, re-"lock the toolbar" (by right clicking one of the toolbars).

To get the menu back (File Edit View Favorites etc...) Click "Tools" and then click "Menu Bar".

ozstamps Oct 23, 2006 5:31 am


Originally Posted by DeafFlyer

All those things are still there, they're just hidden. Right click one of the top toolbars and uncheck the "lock the toolbars". Then you will see dotted vertical lines. Click and hold the one next to "home" and drag it left. You can do the same with the other parts to set them up how you want to. When done, re-"lock the toolbar" (by right clicking one of the toolbars).

To get the menu back (File Edit View Favorites etc...) Click "Tools" and then click "Menu Bar".

Perfect. ^

Thanks for that. Was bugging me. :cool:

murphy Oct 23, 2006 6:17 am


Originally Posted by osamede
If you go to www.maxthon.com, you will find a multi-tabebd browser that is BETTER than IE7 and free.

The best part of the story (unfortunately its not a joke), is that Maxthon browser is a user interface based on IE6! And Maxthon has been doing for years all the things that are supposedly "innovative" in IE7 - and does far more, to boot. More than Firefox as well.

In other words Microsoft was wasted years on IE7 - and hasnt gone anywhere.

So if you really find any of these features interesting you are far better off gettting Maxthon than messing around with buggy beta software from Microsoft.

Which features in Maxthon do you like more than IE7? I'm just curious, as I'm not a big fan of those IE wrappers like Maxthon and Avant.

For everyone who DOESN'T want to upgrade to IE7, be advised that MS will be pushing it as a high priority update. There's a separate notification, but you'll want to keep your eyes peeled. Details here.

CPRich Oct 23, 2006 7:31 am


Originally Posted by Aus_Mal
This is caused by Cleartype. Go into the Help of IE and do a search on ClearType for how to resolve.

Quite possibly the worst named software ever. Even the example, in the link above, showing how Cleartype "delivers improved font display quality" looks like fuzzy garbage on the 3 monitors I have access to - laptop, LCD, and CRT.

bobes Oct 23, 2006 10:24 am

My corporate folks just sent out an email last week saying that we should not install IE7 because it's not compatible with some apps yet. Anyone who's downloaded and installed IE7 on their own will need to have their hard drives reimaged :eek:

Lucky I'm a FF2 user.

ScottC Oct 23, 2006 10:29 am


Originally Posted by CPRich
Quite possibly the worst named software ever. Even the example, in the link above, showing how Cleartype "delivers improved font display quality" looks like fuzzy garbage on the 3 monitors I have access to - laptop, LCD, and CRT.

I can't live without Cleartype, it makes my screens look so much better. Cleartype won't work if a flatpanel is being used a different resolution than it was made for, and it never works well on a CRT.

Russell Corr Oct 23, 2006 10:33 am

while we are talking IE7..I downloaded it recently and had to change to FF as a webpage i visit didn't "fit" correctly in IE7 but does in FF...it has a side menu which i cannot scroll to the bottom of but I could with IE6 and can with FF..any suggestions??

DeafFlyer Oct 23, 2006 11:13 am


Originally Posted by Russell Corr
while we are talking IE7..I downloaded it recently and had to change to FF as a webpage i visit didn't "fit" correctly in IE7 but does in FF...it has a side menu which i cannot scroll to the bottom of but I could with IE6 and can with FF..any suggestions??

Press 'Ctrl' and '-' until it fits your screen is one way to do it.


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