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Old Apr 18, 2015 | 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by wco81
It may be in the interests of the security experts to overestimate the potential for hacks.

There's also a lot of talk about self-driving cars being hacked and driving controls being used for nefarious purposes too.
Yeah, Bruce Schneier calls these "movie plot attacks".
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Old Apr 18, 2015 | 6:47 pm
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Speaking of very unrealistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buHaKYL9Jhg
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 9:19 am
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Nope, can't happen. As one of thee earlier posters mentioned aircraft systems are not "online". Even if someone was able to hack directly into the e and e bay compartment (avionics/electronic systems) which is below the cockpit, pilots are still able to bypass or disconnect the electronic systems and fly old school. The engine thrust levers on the newer aircraft are fly by wire instead of a direct cable link in the older models, however this system is fully isolated within the engine and isolated from all other equipment.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 10:41 am
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Security researcher barred from UA flight after tweeting joke about hacking the plane:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015...united-flight/

Interesting thing is that he has had no takers for his research from the avionics industry.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by wco81
Security researcher barred from UA flight after tweeting joke about hacking the plane:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015...united-flight/

Interesting thing is that he has had no takers for his research from the avionics industry.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/researc...--finance.html

Amazing overreaction (by the FBI and UA) to unsubstantiated claims by a "security researcher".
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by wco81
Security researcher barred from UA flight after tweeting joke about hacking the plane:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015...united-flight/

Interesting thing is that he has had no takers for his research from the avionics industry.
Do you really think they don't have their own people? Tweeting "I'm going to hack the IFE box and turn on the Passenger oxygen" doesn't make you an expert. It makes you an idiot.

If he had meaningful experience in this space, I'm sure Boeing or Airbus would have hired him ages ago.

There are a lot of these people out there. Last year we had the same thing, when someone claimed they could have the IFEC satcom systems, but when he was on stage at the event, it turns out all of his crazy claims were just theoretical, and he actually had no idea what he was talking about.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/researc...--finance.html

Amazing overreaction (by the FBI and UA) to unsubstantiated claims by a "security researcher".
How so? If someone on my plane makes claims that they can hack my plane and trigger systems, I don't want them flying with me. Let them take a bus.

There are better ways to get the attention of the aviation industry. Tweeting dumb things is not one of them.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Amazing overreaction (by the FBI and UA) to unsubstantiated claims by a "security researcher".
Was it?

From the article that you linked:
The Government Accountability Office said last week that some commercial aircraft may be vulnerable to hacking over their onboard wireless networks. "Modern aircraft are increasingly connected to the Internet. This interconnectedness can potentially provide unauthorized remote access to aircraft avionics systems," its report found.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 6:01 pm
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The plane does not need to be connected to the Internet, while flying...

However command and navigational data is programmed in while on the ground.

Flight plans are also programmed in before departure.

Garbage in, can produce garbage..

Guess we could go to the needle and ball, and direct reckoning, and track the radio stations..
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 3:06 am
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Originally Posted by ScottC
How so? If someone on my plane makes claims that they can hack my plane and trigger systems, I don't want them flying with me. Let them take a bus.

There are better ways to get the attention of the aviation industry. Tweeting dumb things is not one of them.
Ability/inability to do XYZ is not the same as willingness to do XYZ.

UA and the FBI again overreacted by assuming that exchanges/communications about a hypothetical or realistic possibility to do XYZ is is the same thing as a real intent to do XYZ. It takes a paranoid and/or petty, little Napolelon type to conflate, or pretend to conflate, capability with intent.
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 3:09 am
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Originally Posted by TWA884
Was it?

From the article that you linked:
The GAO has how much documented evidence of even the NSA being able to commandeer or crash a commercial plane via the in-flight wi-fi networks? Like zero?
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 3:15 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
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Originally Posted by ScottC


How so? If someone on my plane makes claims that they can hack my plane and trigger systems, I don't want them flying with me. Let them take a bus.

There are better ways to get the attention of the aviation industry. Tweeting dumb things is not one of them.




Ability/inability to do XYZ is not the same as willingness to do XYZ.

UA and the FBI again overreacted by assuming that exchanges/communications about a hypothetical or realistic possibility to do XYZ is is the same thing as a real intent to do XYZ. It takes a paranoid and/or petty, little Napolelon type to conflate, or pretend to conflate, capability with intent.
So, would you object to LE response to someone on a plane saying "I bet that I could rush the cockpit when the pilot goes to the bathroom?"
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by 747FC
So, would you object to LE response to someone on a plane saying "I bet that I could rush the cockpit when the pilot goes to the bathroom?"
That is a different scenario, obviously with different circumstances, than what actually happened with the "security researcher".
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
The GAO has how much documented evidence of even the NSA being able to commandeer or crash a commercial plane via the in-flight wi-fi networks? Like zero?
Why don't you read the full GSA report and let us know?
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by TWA884
That is one way to respond to questions without answering the questions asked.
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