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Oct 1, 2013, 12:15 pm
#33
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Q10 or 9930. I have had my HTC One for over a month now, and as much as I love all the apps, I really do not need any of them. Androids (and I'm sure iPhones too) are great toys, but Blackberry remains the best phone.
Oct 1, 2013, 1:29 pm
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Regards
Oct 3, 2013, 2:13 am
#35
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Have had my 9810 for over two years and a Bold two years before that. I'm annoyed AS doesn't have a BB app anymore but sometime would like to upgrade to a Q10. Z10 had a lot of flash but no keyboard
Have had my 9810 for over two years and a Bold two years before that. I'm annoyed AS doesn't have a BB app anymore but sometime would like to upgrade to a Q10. Z10 had a lot of flash but no keyboard
Oct 3, 2013, 4:13 am
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"Now the only future for the company is to get smaller and smaller until there's nothing left. In fact, the only sensible conversation to have ... is the one in which you argue about how long it will take to die."
-- Stewart Alsop, Forbes Magazine
Oh, wait. He was talking about Apple in February of 1997.
-- Stewart Alsop, Forbes Magazine
Oh, wait. He was talking about Apple in February of 1997.
Oct 3, 2013, 6:09 am
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"Now the only future for the company is to get smaller and smaller until there's nothing left. In fact, the only sensible conversation to have ... is the one in which you argue about how long it will take to die."
-- Stewart Alsop, Forbes Magazine
Oh, wait. He was talking about Apple in February of 1997.
-- Stewart Alsop, Forbes Magazine
Oh, wait. He was talking about Apple in February of 1997.
And just to be clear, your returning "savior" would be Mike Lazaridis, one of the folks who helped fly the airplane directly into the ground to begin with? Or "The Canadian Warren Buffet" who apparently knows nothing about technology, but has a great reinsurance business? Again, seriously?
Blackberry will be an MBA case study for years to come, but I seriously doubt it will be because they became "the next Apple"
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Oct 3, 2013, 6:11 am
#38
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I wonder why none of the coverage this past week has mentioned price point? At $200 subsidized, the Q10 is forced to compete with top selling iPhones and Samsungs.
If you have cash to burn (BlackBerry does) and are desperate for market share, why not slash the price? Sales would surge if BlackBerry gave away phones for the next 3 months, through Christmas.
I know it isn't sustainable, but neither is BlackBerry at this price point. Slash now, grow market share, develop alternate revenue streams (apps!), raise price with growing demand.
If you have cash to burn (BlackBerry does) and are desperate for market share, why not slash the price? Sales would surge if BlackBerry gave away phones for the next 3 months, through Christmas.
I know it isn't sustainable, but neither is BlackBerry at this price point. Slash now, grow market share, develop alternate revenue streams (apps!), raise price with growing demand.
Oct 4, 2013, 7:11 am
#39
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Just got the Q10 yesterday. I have to say, it feels nowhere as nice as my old Bold 9930. It feels just plasticky and flimsy, especially after having used the HTC One for a month and the 9930 for the two years before that.
Well, the fundamental problem behind that is people want to watch movies and TV shows on their phones... Why can't people watch those TV stuff on their TV, or computer, or tablet. Why do they have to catch up on Scrubs while riding on a bus? Can't it wait? And what's the pleasure behind straining your eyes watching a TV show on a screen the size of your hand?
Well, the fundamental problem behind that is people want to watch movies and TV shows on their phones... Why can't people watch those TV stuff on their TV, or computer, or tablet. Why do they have to catch up on Scrubs while riding on a bus? Can't it wait? And what's the pleasure behind straining your eyes watching a TV show on a screen the size of your hand?
Oct 4, 2013, 7:51 am
#40
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ids talking?
Oct 4, 2013, 8:01 am
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Whatever the reason is, it's working, and I don't like it. Even older folks are smart phones sized like a frying pan, and they clearly state that they either:
1. Don't need all the apps, and only need to use the phone for the functions of a phone.
or
2. Have no idea how to use it for anything other than call and text.
And by older folks I mean folks older than me. I'm in my 20s.
1. Don't need all the apps, and only need to use the phone for the functions of a phone.
or
2. Have no idea how to use it for anything other than call and text.
And by older folks I mean folks older than me. I'm in my 20s.
Oct 4, 2013, 11:54 pm
#42
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Oct 5, 2013, 6:56 pm
#43
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Blackberry would be dead tomorrow if Samsung, LG, HTC, or Motorola came out with a good, polished, high end Android handset with a great QWERTY keyboard in portrait format.
Inasmuch as they have so far miserably failed to offer anything that isn't cheap and miserable, I cling to my Blackberry.
I've had a full Android touchscreen phone (Atrix) and slider (Droid 4), and tried a couple of the QWERTY Androids to boot (Droid PRO and HTC ChaCha / Status). Every one of those I have loved so much, have been so unwilling to separate from, that I replaced them with a Blackberry without waiting for my contract to be up for renewal at full retail price. THAT's how great they were....
So, I'm going to say Blackberry will continue to own the portrait QWERTY market and inasmuch as they are a company still sitting on a pile of cash and no debt, and there is likelihood of a management shakeup coming our way, I'm not going to write them off just yet no matter how dismal things are right now. I have no choice but to be optimistic because there just aren't any other suitable replacements.
I actually prefer some things about my BB9930 to my Q10. The data usage when roaming is roughly 1/3 due to BES compression. I like having the menu keys, dial / hangup keys, back key, and trackpad. But - the OS is very dated and there was no good application for Google Voice since Google killed theirs off. The Q10 was great for being able to side-load a few key Android apps on to the phone (Google Voice, TripIt, Google Maps, Google Translate) but the native apps situation is pretty abysmal. Worse than I expected.
On a final note, I have picked up other folks' GS4's and iphone 5s's - and their OS seems so clunky to the new gestures based BB10. I think BB did a really great job on the OS (notwithstanding a couple of annoying things missing like holding down keyboard keys for speed-dial shortcuts). For once we can say that BB's operating system feels a generation ahead of the mainstream.
Inasmuch as they have so far miserably failed to offer anything that isn't cheap and miserable, I cling to my Blackberry.
I've had a full Android touchscreen phone (Atrix) and slider (Droid 4), and tried a couple of the QWERTY Androids to boot (Droid PRO and HTC ChaCha / Status). Every one of those I have loved so much, have been so unwilling to separate from, that I replaced them with a Blackberry without waiting for my contract to be up for renewal at full retail price. THAT's how great they were....
So, I'm going to say Blackberry will continue to own the portrait QWERTY market and inasmuch as they are a company still sitting on a pile of cash and no debt, and there is likelihood of a management shakeup coming our way, I'm not going to write them off just yet no matter how dismal things are right now. I have no choice but to be optimistic because there just aren't any other suitable replacements.
I actually prefer some things about my BB9930 to my Q10. The data usage when roaming is roughly 1/3 due to BES compression. I like having the menu keys, dial / hangup keys, back key, and trackpad. But - the OS is very dated and there was no good application for Google Voice since Google killed theirs off. The Q10 was great for being able to side-load a few key Android apps on to the phone (Google Voice, TripIt, Google Maps, Google Translate) but the native apps situation is pretty abysmal. Worse than I expected.
On a final note, I have picked up other folks' GS4's and iphone 5s's - and their OS seems so clunky to the new gestures based BB10. I think BB did a really great job on the OS (notwithstanding a couple of annoying things missing like holding down keyboard keys for speed-dial shortcuts). For once we can say that BB's operating system feels a generation ahead of the mainstream.
Oct 5, 2013, 6:58 pm
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Oct 7, 2013, 1:32 am
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So the Q10 doesn't have the same compression? That was a funny thing in ADK with some other FTers last year. Between the high satellite latency and EDGE data network (roaming on Windy City Cellular) the compression that my blackberry had made it the speediest to load.