France unhappy with Lockerbie deal
Aug 20, 2003, 3:54 pm
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Honestly, again with this US v. France argument?
I think some people need to relax a little bit here. There's enough give and take on both sides to call things even.
Do we really need to debate whether the US owes it's existence to France for supporting it in the Revolution, or whether France owe's it's existence to the US for help in the WW's every single time there's a topic involving France in the news?
I think it's a great idea for people to learn about and discuss history. Maybe if we did more of that we'd stop repeating the same mistakes over and over, like we're doing now.
On the other hand, this US v. France "debate" isn't getting anyone anywhere.
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I think some people need to relax a little bit here. There's enough give and take on both sides to call things even.
Do we really need to debate whether the US owes it's existence to France for supporting it in the Revolution, or whether France owe's it's existence to the US for help in the WW's every single time there's a topic involving France in the news?
I think it's a great idea for people to learn about and discuss history. Maybe if we did more of that we'd stop repeating the same mistakes over and over, like we're doing now.
On the other hand, this US v. France "debate" isn't getting anyone anywhere.
d
Aug 21, 2003, 6:02 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PineyBob:
TVG,
Yes we go back 60 years because we sent the flower of our youth to the fields of France. Take a look at the very well maintained "Gardens of Stone" that litter your countryside. Talk to the old men that were young boys then and kissed the fresh faced youth from the farms of the Great Plains, the cities of the east & west, the cotton fields of the deep south. All came to preserve and defend liberty. Some of them never left.
I makes me sad that it has come to this, General Lafayette must be rolling in his grave. You don't have to agree with us every time, but just every now and then don't block us just because you can. Try to realize that if you're not good negotiators you don't get as good a deal. Don't penalize families because you want to prove you aren't 3rd world banana republic. When you behave as you do, you just confirm our worst fears
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TVG,
Yes we go back 60 years because we sent the flower of our youth to the fields of France. Take a look at the very well maintained "Gardens of Stone" that litter your countryside. Talk to the old men that were young boys then and kissed the fresh faced youth from the farms of the Great Plains, the cities of the east & west, the cotton fields of the deep south. All came to preserve and defend liberty. Some of them never left.
I makes me sad that it has come to this, General Lafayette must be rolling in his grave. You don't have to agree with us every time, but just every now and then don't block us just because you can. Try to realize that if you're not good negotiators you don't get as good a deal. Don't penalize families because you want to prove you aren't 3rd world banana republic. When you behave as you do, you just confirm our worst fears
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Sep 10, 2003, 6:54 am
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Sep 10, 2003, 1:12 pm
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We are already "haunted" by the memory of the 170 victims of the UTA flight. 
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Sep 11, 2003, 1:03 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Arcolaio99:
Maybe if France had a government that actually did something worthhile these passengers families might be getting more than enough money to buy an ice cream cone!!</font>
Maybe if France had a government that actually did something worthhile these passengers families might be getting more than enough money to buy an ice cream cone!!</font>
http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/011543.html
Edited to add that it is ashame that politics, as usual, is going to yet again delay the victims getting the closure they deserve.
I might also add that these events are just as painful for the French families that lost loved ones in the UTA crash as it is for American families that lost loved ones in the Pan Am crash. Seems that we lose sight of that.
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Sep 11, 2003, 10:12 am
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Libya and the families of the 170 victims of the 1989 UTA airliner bombing signed a compensation deal on Thursday, clearing the way for a U.N. vote to lift sanctions, a spokesman for the families said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ce_accord_dc_1
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ce_accord_dc_1
Sep 11, 2003, 12:39 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dctorres:
I might also add that these events are just as painful for the French families that lost loved ones in the UTA crash as it is for American families that lost loved ones in the Pan Am crash. Seems that we lose sight of that.</font>
I might also add that these events are just as painful for the French families that lost loved ones in the UTA crash as it is for American families that lost loved ones in the Pan Am crash. Seems that we lose sight of that.</font>
On a related note, don't think for a minute that Quaddafi has suddenly decided to be a nicer guy--he's afraid, for the same reason Saddam should have been afraid. Whatever anyone's opinion of President Bush may be, he *does* do a good job of smiting America's enemies, and in this I applaud him.
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Sep 12, 2003, 3:55 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Occupationalhazard:
I don't think anyone has lost sight of that at all...OTOH, the French government basically said it was going to hold the settlement for Pan Am 103 families hostage because, let's face it, they did a crappy job on negotiating a settlement with the Libyans the first time. To the extent that they were willing to do that, I, and others, decried their actions.
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I don't think anyone has lost sight of that at all...OTOH, the French government basically said it was going to hold the settlement for Pan Am 103 families hostage because, let's face it, they did a crappy job on negotiating a settlement with the Libyans the first time. To the extent that they were willing to do that, I, and others, decried their actions.
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This may have been France's best chance to get Libya to the bargaining table and have any leverage.
Sep 12, 2003, 6:45 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rudi:
I think, this final outcome proved (for once) the French 'approach' right.</font>
I think, this final outcome proved (for once) the French 'approach' right.</font>
France ends threat to veto Libya deal
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...solution_x.htm
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Money no windfall for families of Lockerbie victims
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...ies-usat_x.htm
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U.N. Security Council Lifts Sanctions on Libya
http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle....toryID=3434929
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And now...
Confusion as Libya cites conditions for UTA pay-out
Libya's offer of compensation for families of the 170 people killed in the 1989 bombing of a French UTA airliner was thrown into doubt on Friday after a key Libyan negotiator unveiled conditions for the pay-out...
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...asp?reg=EUROPE
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Sep 17, 2003, 7:57 am
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Libya says on track to reach a French pay-out deal
Libya and families of 170 people killed in a 1989 bombing of a French airliner were finalising details of a compensation deal and would reach an accord before next month's deadline, a senior Libyan official said on Wednesday.
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...sp?reg=MIDEAST
Libya and families of 170 people killed in a 1989 bombing of a French airliner were finalising details of a compensation deal and would reach an accord before next month's deadline, a senior Libyan official said on Wednesday.
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...sp?reg=MIDEAST
Sep 23, 2003, 11:57 am
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Lockerbie bomber seeks case review
Lawyers for the Libyan agent jailed for the Lockerbie bombing have applied for a review of his sentence and conviction.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...atestheadlines
Lawyers for the Libyan agent jailed for the Lockerbie bombing have applied for a review of his sentence and conviction.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...atestheadlines