Flight loads
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2004
Location: near FRA
Programs: UA 1K 2MM (*G)
Posts: 1,459
Flight loads
Going home 2 days ago BKK-FRA.
As to the FA in F the load was 2 F, 12 C and 56 Y pax. Newly config plane holding a total of 375 pax meaning that they flew this bird at 18.67% load at a long-haul .
When I recall that they obviously rolled out the full program with caviar and Dom, at least 12 wasted F meals (2 meals @ 4 choices x 2 pax) and loads of cheese and fruit and full desserts -whole tart-, and all the paid staff I wonder how much they lost on that flight alone .
Don´t get me wrong, I surely was enjoying every minute, but from a farther view... scary.
F.R.
As to the FA in F the load was 2 F, 12 C and 56 Y pax. Newly config plane holding a total of 375 pax meaning that they flew this bird at 18.67% load at a long-haul .
When I recall that they obviously rolled out the full program with caviar and Dom, at least 12 wasted F meals (2 meals @ 4 choices x 2 pax) and loads of cheese and fruit and full desserts -whole tart-, and all the paid staff I wonder how much they lost on that flight alone .
Don´t get me wrong, I surely was enjoying every minute, but from a farther view... scary.
F.R.
#2
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: CPH
Programs: SK Diamond (*G), HH Gold
Posts: 580
That was a very poor load indeed. They must have had a full return flight to look forward to. Otherwise it would have made more sense (from a pure business point of view) to cancel the flight and reroute the pax via other European destinations.
#4
Join Date: May 2006
Location: BKK.DPS
Programs: P THAI,Diamond HYATT
Posts: 3,290
Hi, the loads out of Australia at the moment, and up till August 11 are heavy, due mainly to the mid year school breaks. Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand appear to be the preferred destinations. Melbourne airport looks like a holiday beach camp at most times with more surf boards than computer cases. They must not feel the cold, only shorts and tee shirts, and its freezing outside, whatever they are on, I want some, regards bkkrop
#5
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: BKK
Programs: AMEXROP, TG Gold, BAEC Gold, BD gold
Posts: 356
It would be interesting to know how load factors compare with other airlines offering a superior product or lower prices, or more worringly for Thai BOTH. Then the picture would become clearer.
Surely it must be Thai Airways turn to start offering lower fares such as SIA, and all the other airlines, currently it is the turn of Cathay to offer good deals.
I note that Eva, flying newer 777 with newer interiors and wider biz seats direct from LHR-BKK are offering biz class fares for just over 1,000 pounds, half of the price of Thai and direct.
Thai has at least started to reduce their points liabilty in the get one free or half points for redemption and tickets bought, this is a positive for Thai as will help also to fiill the planes.
Now all they need to do and do what all other airlines are doing and that is lowering fares with meaningful offers not just reducing econonomy ticket prices by the value of miles not given on these very restrictive fares. Do not forget not everyone collects the miles only loyal customers, which surely they want to keep.
Another way is to downgrade the classes, as Qantas has done with first class and Thai on scando routes and sell first class seats at biz prices and biz at premium economy prices which would match others in value. Then you will see the planes full of people who, like me, want to be loyal to Thai and prepared to pay SLIGHTLY higher prices but not double!!
Surely it must be Thai Airways turn to start offering lower fares such as SIA, and all the other airlines, currently it is the turn of Cathay to offer good deals.
I note that Eva, flying newer 777 with newer interiors and wider biz seats direct from LHR-BKK are offering biz class fares for just over 1,000 pounds, half of the price of Thai and direct.
Thai has at least started to reduce their points liabilty in the get one free or half points for redemption and tickets bought, this is a positive for Thai as will help also to fiill the planes.
Now all they need to do and do what all other airlines are doing and that is lowering fares with meaningful offers not just reducing econonomy ticket prices by the value of miles not given on these very restrictive fares. Do not forget not everyone collects the miles only loyal customers, which surely they want to keep.
Another way is to downgrade the classes, as Qantas has done with first class and Thai on scando routes and sell first class seats at biz prices and biz at premium economy prices which would match others in value. Then you will see the planes full of people who, like me, want to be loyal to Thai and prepared to pay SLIGHTLY higher prices but not double!!
#6
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Diemen, NL
Posts: 303
Well-as above-holidays here in Europe really have started-all of july usually full planes on about any flight Europe-Thailand/BKK. Surely they would have looked at the complete roundtrip-and have combined it with the other to FRA if it was feasible. Come late august-and then the reverse pattern is there: full from BKK, empty toward.
and as most know-prices/fares from BKK can be up to 2/300€-for plain eco-different as those for the same return to BKK from somewhere in Europe, Its just that they are-oh so old-fashioned-not often easy on the THAI site online.
and as most know-prices/fares from BKK can be up to 2/300€-for plain eco-different as those for the same return to BKK from somewhere in Europe, Its just that they are-oh so old-fashioned-not often easy on the THAI site online.
#7
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: LEJ BRU
Posts: 1,156
Going home 2 days ago BKK-FRA.
As to the FA in F the load was 2 F, 12 C and 56 Y pax. Newly config plane holding a total of 375 pax meaning that they flew this bird at 18.67% load at a long-haul .
When I recall that they obviously rolled out the full program with caviar and Dom, at least 12 wasted F meals (2 meals @ 4 choices x 2 pax) and loads of cheese and fruit and full desserts -whole tart-, and all the paid staff I wonder how much they lost on that flight alone .
Don´t get me wrong, I surely was enjoying every minute, but from a farther view... scary.
F.R.
As to the FA in F the load was 2 F, 12 C and 56 Y pax. Newly config plane holding a total of 375 pax meaning that they flew this bird at 18.67% load at a long-haul .
When I recall that they obviously rolled out the full program with caviar and Dom, at least 12 wasted F meals (2 meals @ 4 choices x 2 pax) and loads of cheese and fruit and full desserts -whole tart-, and all the paid staff I wonder how much they lost on that flight alone .
Don´t get me wrong, I surely was enjoying every minute, but from a farther view... scary.
F.R.
Good for the pax but TG seems to have hard times.
#8
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F.R.
#10
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: BKK
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Well I can answer that for Singapore Airlines as SQ flights I took to LHR, SYD,AKL and SIn were all full in biz and nearly full in First.
I even had problems getting one flight from SIN-LHR in biz as was very overbooked.
Not a problem Thai is having.
I even had problems getting one flight from SIN-LHR in biz as was very overbooked.
Not a problem Thai is having.
#11
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Warks.England
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Suspect LHR will have much higher numbers - anyone got details?
Incidentally EK in J is circa Ł400 cheaper than Thai, but with plane change.
Incidentally EK in J is circa Ł400 cheaper than Thai, but with plane change.
#12
Join Date: May 2005
Location: UK
Programs: ROP *G, BAEC Gold, HH Lifetime Diamond
Posts: 969
Did a round trip on LHR-BKK last month in C & the loading was more than 12 just on the lower deck. Also 6-7/10 of the F seats were occupied. This was during the week that TG916 & TG917 were suspended.
Just booked a LHR-BKK return last fri for this coming wed in Y (TG911). Booking was directly through TG website and was quoted Q fares, seat plan was wide open. However just checked on seatcounter that all Y is sold out for the flight I booked (in the time of 48 hrs). Tried a dummy booking via TG and they are not accepting any more booking into Y. Very strange. Will be able to confirm later on this week about LHR loading.
Just booked a LHR-BKK return last fri for this coming wed in Y (TG911). Booking was directly through TG website and was quoted Q fares, seat plan was wide open. However just checked on seatcounter that all Y is sold out for the flight I booked (in the time of 48 hrs). Tried a dummy booking via TG and they are not accepting any more booking into Y. Very strange. Will be able to confirm later on this week about LHR loading.
#13
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 589
Did a round trip on LHR-BKK last month in C & the loading was more than 12 just on the lower deck. Also 6-7/10 of the F seats were occupied. This was during the week that TG916 & TG917 were suspended.
Just booked a LHR-BKK return last fri for this coming wed in Y (TG911). Booking was directly through TG website and was quoted Q fares, seat plan was wide open. However just checked on seatcounter that all Y is sold out for the flight I booked (in the time of 48 hrs). Tried a dummy booking via TG and they are not accepting any more booking into Y. Very strange. Will be able to confirm later on this week about LHR loading.
Just booked a LHR-BKK return last fri for this coming wed in Y (TG911). Booking was directly through TG website and was quoted Q fares, seat plan was wide open. However just checked on seatcounter that all Y is sold out for the flight I booked (in the time of 48 hrs). Tried a dummy booking via TG and they are not accepting any more booking into Y. Very strange. Will be able to confirm later on this week about LHR loading.
TG website shows no seats in ECO on all 3 days.
I went on "Fly.de" and could get Q-fare without any problem for 19 AUG. Didn't try the other days but I think this is just another TG mystery.
#14
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: LHR
Programs: BA silver
Posts: 18
I flew LHR-BKK TG911 on the 27th June. There were 4 of us in first and the C cabin looked pretty full as did the line for Y for boarding.
returned on the TG924 with 6 in F, I looked in to C and could count no more than 10 and Y looked very empty too.....
a real shame......
returned on the TG924 with 6 in F, I looked in to C and could count no more than 10 and Y looked very empty too.....
a real shame......
#15
Join Date: May 2005
Location: UK
Programs: ROP *G, BAEC Gold, HH Lifetime Diamond
Posts: 969
Did a round trip on LHR-BKK last month in C & the loading was more than 12 just on the lower deck. Also 6-7/10 of the F seats were occupied. This was during the week that TG916 & TG917 were suspended.
Just booked a LHR-BKK return last fri for this coming wed in Y (TG911). Booking was directly through TG website and was quoted Q fares, seat plan was wide open. However just checked on seatcounter that all Y is sold out for the flight I booked (in the time of 48 hrs). Tried a dummy booking via TG and they are not accepting any more booking into Y. Very strange. Will be able to confirm later on this week about LHR loading.
Just booked a LHR-BKK return last fri for this coming wed in Y (TG911). Booking was directly through TG website and was quoted Q fares, seat plan was wide open. However just checked on seatcounter that all Y is sold out for the flight I booked (in the time of 48 hrs). Tried a dummy booking via TG and they are not accepting any more booking into Y. Very strange. Will be able to confirm later on this week about LHR loading.