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Old Feb 27, 2023 | 3:38 pm
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Reading the problems Qantas has in bringing back its 380s and lack of anyone internationally that can do the work, i cant see Thai getting someone to do the work on its 380s quickly.
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Old Feb 27, 2023 | 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Porch
Reading the problems Qantas has in bringing back its 380s and lack of anyone internationally that can do the work, i cant see Thai getting someone to do the work on its 380s quickly.
but most of the airlines, who have A380 brought it already back; and TG has routes where the demand would be sufficient to run the A380...
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Old Feb 27, 2023 | 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by BinSabai
but most of the airlines, who have A380 brought it already back; and TG has routes where the demand would be sufficient to run the A380...
LH is having huge problems bringing A380 back & yet to succeed, and they were laid up properly in a desert, not parked next to a Swamp

Demand is certainly there but its going to be very challenging bringing TG A380 back into service
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Old Feb 28, 2023 | 6:42 pm
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I don't believe any of the A350s have F. According to Thai crew I have spoken with on recent flights they will have F only on 777/A380.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 1:00 am
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Any chance Thai will resume flights to Moscow?. Right now there are an insane amount of Russians everywhere in Thailand. Most airlines in Asia pacific have stopped flying to Moscow like SQ and KE, but Air China, China Eastern, and Hainan have resumed Moscow flights, and Moscow would only need 1 frame unlike Auckland and cities in Western Europe.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
Any chance Thai will resume flights to Moscow?. Right now there are an insane amount of Russians everywhere in Thailand. Most airlines in Asia pacific have stopped flying to Moscow like SQ and KE, but Air China, China Eastern, and Hainan have resumed Moscow flights, and Moscow would only need 1 frame unlike Auckland and cities in Western Europe.
Since Thai could actually use Russian airspace to fly to Europe but actually don't, I would take that as an indication that they are not going to be too keen on returning to Moscow just yet.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
Any chance Thai will resume flights to Moscow?. Right now there are an insane amount of Russians everywhere in Thailand. Most airlines in Asia pacific have stopped flying to Moscow like SQ and KE, but Air China, China Eastern, and Hainan have resumed Moscow flights, and Moscow would only need 1 frame unlike Auckland and cities in Western Europe.
Plenty of Russian registered aircraft in-flight at present between HKT and a range of Russian cities - I counted 6 on FR24 just now
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by Thai-Kiwi
Plenty of Russian registered aircraft in-flight at present between HKT and a range of Russian cities - I counted 6 on FR24 just now…
Even with all of the competition from Russian carriers, Moscow would still be a money maker, I bet probably more than Oslo, Vienna Brussels, Rome and Milan which were also the routes TG flew before covid. Or are there any rumours that one of those are being resumed?

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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
Even with all of the competition from Russian carriers, Moscow would still be a money maker, I bet probably more than Oslo, Vienna Brussels, Rome and Milan which were the routes TG flew before covid.
Why do you think that?

Aeroflot is selling round trips from Moscow to BKK/HKT for 600-700 USD (depending on how trustworthy the exchange rate is) with wide open availability every day in the near future.
And demand TO Russia is almost nonexistent. (Edit: and is available for similar pricing from Aeroflot anyway)
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by bpe
Why do you think that?

Aeroflot is selling round trips from Moscow to BKK/HKT for 600-700 USD (depending on how trustworthy the exchange rate is) with wide open availability every day in the near future.
And demand TO Russia is almost nonexistent. (Edit: and is available for similar pricing from Aeroflot anyway)
Demand does pick up TO Moscow in warmer months, an unrelated example is CZ, HU and CA competing in the Moscow- PEK and PKX route in NS23. Obviously Bangkok does have trash yields, and even Aeroflot is going 3pw from June to September.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
Even with all of the competition from Russian carriers, Moscow would still be a money maker, I bet probably more than Oslo, Vienna Brussels, Rome and Milan which were also the routes TG flew before covid. Or are there any rumours that one of those are being resumed?
Sorry to say, but I think your assumption is a bit naive - there is zero business travel to/from Russia, and as others have said, the market is currently cheap tourist fares.

Also, Thailand has historically taken a neutral stance to the conflict, hence probably why TG avoids Russian airspace - and why likely TG would not return to Russia anytime soon.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by SKT-DK
Sorry to say, but I think your assumption is a bit naive - there is zero business travel to/from Russia, and as others have said, the market is currently cheap tourist fares.

Also, Thailand has historically taken a neutral stance to the conflict, hence probably why TG avoids Russian airspace - and why likely TG would not return to Russia anytime soon.
Even when Russia is a visa free destination for Thais.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 3:39 am
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
Demand does pick up TO Moscow in warmer months, an unrelated example is CZ, HU and CA competing in the Moscow- PEK and PKX route in NS23. Obviously Bangkok does have trash yields, and even Aeroflot is going 3pw from June to September.
China-Russia is a completely different market that doesn't indicate anything about demand from any other country at this point.

If demand suddenly picks up this summer nothing is stopping them from adding flights later, but that seems exceptionally unlikely.

As a more general idea to any route resumption or even capacity increase like bring back A380s, I think that THAI and many other carriers are finding that it's not necessarily wise to simply max out capacity and fly as many routes as they can. Using capacity discipline is a better way to stay profitable, especially if they have already cut back on aircraft and staff in 2020.

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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 3:42 am
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
Even when Russia is a visa free destination for Thais.
Considering that most of their credit cards are unusable, it is probably not the most practical destination.
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 3:51 am
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Even Thai doesn't fly to Dubai, which they used to do. Emirates is too strong?. PR, Cebu Pacific and SQ can make it work.
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