Originally Posted by timmynl
(Post 21424353)
Some pics of 'covering up' attempts by other airlines.
http://pantip.com/topic/30956470 http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ter-crash.html |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21424913)
US 1549 landing in the Hudson. No masking of logos there either.
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21424913)
UA DC-10 at Sioux City? No masking.
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Originally Posted by Paella747
(Post 21426735)
I never said a plane must collide with another aircraft in order to be considered a crash.
I'm well aware that an aircraft can crash into the ground (or a building, or construction equipment, etc...). If a landing gear failure is a crash to you, then so be it. If you feel this A330 crashed into the ground, fantastic! If every time an aircraft slides off the runway is a crash to you, great! I (and perhaps the person who changed the title of this thread from "crash landing" to "incident" ) didn't feel as though this was. Oh, and :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ;). A330s operate around the world for well over a decade without a demonstrated flaw in the landing gear system. I am assuming, without verification yet, that the pilot struck the runway too hard, causing the gear to collapse. Even if the pilot didn't, the gear is maintained by TG so they are still responsible. Secondly, did you not note my reference to "outside the normal parameters of the flight envelope"? Perhaps not.
Originally Posted by ft101
(Post 21427166)
Funny how the tail in this one wasn't masked: http://avstop.com/news/thai.html
Originally Posted by justhere
(Post 21427625)
Waterproof paint?? Kind of a hassle to paint it while it's floating in the river but ok I guess.
Fireproof paint??? I get that not everyone seems to agree with or understand why airlines do this and I'm not saying it's right, wrong, or otherwise, but why would you use a burned up and destroyed air frame as the basis of your argument? |
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http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2011-0122-E What we don't know is how many hours and landings this airplane had, or if TG had received authorization from Airbus to conduct inspections in lieu of replacement, which seems rather unlikely in the case of a use limited lifetime part. What we do know is that there has not been a rash of other A330s having such failures. |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21428852)
A330s operate around the world for well over a decade without a demonstrated flaw in the landing gear system. I am assuming, without verification yet, that the pilot struck the runway too hard, causing the gear to collapse. Even if the pilot didn't, the gear is maintained by TG so they are still responsible
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21428852)
Seems like a pretty small cross-section. I'd be willing to bet that for every one photo you can find of a logo being covered after a serious incident, I can find at least ten where the logos weren't covered.
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Originally Posted by ft101
(Post 21429739)
There has been previous failures of main gear axles on A330s.
Subsequent inspection requirements should have eliminated that particular risk but your statement is incorrect. Probably many more than ten. The point was it's not only Asian thing. |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21429679)
That EAD requires replacement of the bogie beam once a certain number of landings or flight hours have occurred. TG apparently decided that inspections were sufficient.
http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2011-0122-E What we don't know is how many hours and landings this airplane had, or if TG had received authorization from Airbus to conduct inspections in lieu of replacement, which seems rather unlikely in the case of a use limited lifetime part. What we do know is that there has not been a rash of other A330s having such failures. The MLG bogie beam life limit for A330-301/-321/-322/-341/-342 models is 19,250 LDG or 28,900 FH And from the news, the bogie beam for this aircarft was installed since 2004. Assume; If this aircaft are in service everyday for 9 years with 5 LDG/day, the landing service for this bogie beam is 16,425 LDG. But in reality, she can't operate everyday for 9 years because of maintenance programs (C/D checks). |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21429766)
Examples of the bogie beam failing? The EAD didn't mention previous actual failures, just the possibility of it.
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Originally Posted by joy16
(Post 21429803)
From EASA's AD for landing gear of A330/A340.
The MLG bogie beam life limit for A330-301/-321/-322/-341/-342 models is 19,250 LDG or 28,900 FH And from the news, the bogie beam for this aircarft was installed since 2004. Assume; If this aircaft are in service everyday for 9 years with 5 LDG/day, the landing service for this bogie beam is 16,425 LDG. But in reality, she can't operate everyday for 9 years because of maintenance programs (C/D checks). |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21428852)
Have you looked at the photo links others have posted? I have. Noted any of the drapes over logos? There are more ways to cover a logo than paint.
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Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21429898)
Since 2004, it would be expected to have exceeded the flight hour replacement requirement.
Assume; If this aircraft operates everyday with 8.8 FH/day, it may exceed the life limit. However, she can't operate everyday as previous said. |
Originally Posted by joy16
(Post 21429964)
TG is the only one to tell whether it exceeded or not.
And I look forward to Santa Claus on Christmas Day too. Assume; If this aircraft operates everyday with 8.8 FH/day, it may exceed the life limit. However, she can't operate everyday as previous said. |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 21430431)
If it is not flying more than 8.8 hours a day, TG's fleet management needs a lot of improvement.
Exemple for A330 utilization (HS-TEF) on 7 Sep 2013. THA679 seen @ 2013-09-07 11:34 UTC on route from CAN to BKK THA678 seen @ 2013-09-07 09:24 UTC on route from BKK to CAN THA206 seen @ 2013-09-07 05:32 UTC on route from HKT to BKK THA205 seen @ 2013-09-07 03:18 UTC on route from BKK to HKT THA226 seen @ 2013-09-07 01:15 UTC on route from HKT to BKK The above shown that she had 5 landing and 9:40 (or 9.66) total filght hours (3 x 1:25 hr for HKT routes, 2:50 hr for BKK-CAN and 3:00 for CAN-BKK) in that day. From the link, it also shown that she was not active during 20-24 Aug 2013. |
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