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kokonutz Feb 11, 2009 7:13 am

Motion Adopted
 
Motion Adopted: to close the Senior Travel forum.

Moved by Spiff and seconded by skywalkerLAX:

that the Senior Travel forum be closed and its content sent to TravelBuzz or other appropriate fora

This poll closed Feb 10, 09 at 8:23 pm

Yes: 7, 77.78%
berlinflyer, bhatnasx, gleff, lucky9876coins, nsx, skywalkerLAX, Spiff

No 2, 22.22%
Cholula, kokonutz

Abstain:0, 0%

Voters: 9.

Per the TalkBoard Guidelines, a motion shall pass if two-thirds of TalkBoard members participating in that vote vote ‘yes.’

As others have noticed/noted, it appears that the FT Host has already accepted and acted on this recommendation.

ClueByFour Feb 17, 2009 3:00 pm

Thanks to the Talkboard for passing this motion. I never thought it would happen upon suggesting it in September of 2008.

magiciansampras Feb 17, 2009 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by ClueByFour (Post 11274600)
Thanks to the Talkboard for passing this motion. I never thought it would happen upon suggesting it in September of 2008.

I guess the arguments made in this thread were better than the ones you provided. :)

ClueByFour Feb 17, 2009 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 11274613)
I guess the arguments made in this thread were better than the ones you provided. :)

You guess wrong ;).

Rudi Feb 17, 2009 4:44 pm

I don't think it is about being right or wrong, it is (just) a majority decision of the board of this ... (what is the abbreveation kokonutz you used sometimes for 'it is just a ...'?), followed by the administration of this ... (enter same abbreveation kokonutz used some times for this 'it is just a ...').

kokonutz Feb 18, 2009 8:50 am


Originally Posted by Rudi (Post 11275265)
I don't think it is about being right or wrong, it is (just) a majority decision of the board of this ... (what is the abbreveation kokonutz you used sometimes for 'it is just a ...'?), followed by the administration of this ... (enter same abbreveation kokonutz used some times for this 'it is just a ...').

IJAFIBB! :)

Hunki Feb 18, 2009 11:31 am


Originally Posted by Rudi (Post 11275265)
I don't think it is about being right or wrong, it is (just) a majority decision of the board of this ... (what is the abbreveation kokonutz you used sometimes for 'it is just a ...'?), followed by the administration of this ... (enter same abbreveation kokonutz used some times for this 'it is just a ...').


DITTO!!!!

Spiff Feb 18, 2009 12:06 pm

Yes, IJAFIBB, but now without a badly-underutilized forum causing unnecessary clutter and fragmentation. :)

kokonutz Feb 18, 2009 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11280115)
Yes, IJAFIBB, but now without a badly-underutilized forum causing unnecessary clutter and fragmentation. :)

:confused:

I can still see Scandanavia, Dollar, LatinPass, Antarctica AND [ducking] Religious Travelers.

If the goal was to eliminate badly-underutilized forums causing unnecessary clutter and fragmentation the job is far from complete.

I did say "if." :p

Spiff Feb 18, 2009 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 11280355)
:confused:

I can still see Scandanavia, Dollar, LatinPass, Antarctica AND [ducking] Religious Travelers.

If the goal was to eliminate badly-underutilized forums causing unnecessary clutter and fragmentation the job is far from complete.

I did say "if." :p

I'm certainly willing to continue tidying up this place. :)

If there's a forum that is contributing to the clutter and fragmentation, while its contents could be appeal to a broader audience elsewhere, then by all means, start a thread and let's get the discussion going. @:-)

cblaisd Feb 18, 2009 1:45 pm

While I generally agree with kokonutz's point of view, I do think that the Religious Travel forum occupies a unique niche and does credit to FT -- there just aren't any/many places on the Internets where discussion of and respectful information regarding the distinctive needs/questions about the intersection of travel and religion occurs. Most "religious" forums are pretty sectarian and devoted to theological wrangling and slogan-slinging. The fact that FT has consciously adopted a different model and tone is to its credit, and, I would argue, a warranted exception from the general "clutter" rule of thumb.

I think all of that is different for the former Senior Travel forum. There are dozens of places where such discussion and information (and after all, it is the information that is the point!) can be had in much greater detail, and where ~40% of the posts are not by the same members or former members.

kokonutz Feb 18, 2009 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11280631)
I'm certainly willing to continue tidying up this place. :)

If there's a forum that is contributing to the clutter and fragmentation, while its contents could be appeal to a broader audience elsewhere, then by all means, start a thread and let's get the discussion going. @:-)

Ummmm...I didn't have a problem with "clutter." Others allegedly did...yet the hue and cry and wailing and gnashing of teeth against clutter seems to have faded faster than a Patpong t-shirt. Was one senior head on a pike really all it took to sate the de-clutter mob!? :p

nsx Feb 18, 2009 2:00 pm

The word "clutter" appears to be distracting people. The core principle is that a forum needs to pull its own weight by adding enough value to FT to justify its inclusion in what is already a pretty large Forums menu.

It's no more complicated than that.

Value can be demonstrated by post count, provided that those posts don't have somewhere else that would be a better home for them. Value can also be demonstrated by posts with focused content that has no good home anywhere else on FT. In this latter category are the more obscure programs and destinations. However even obscure focused content must meet some threshold of utilization to warrant inclusion in the Forums menu. The less focused the content, the higher that threshold should be, IMHO.

Spiff Feb 18, 2009 4:09 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 11280782)
Ummmm...I didn't have a problem with "clutter." Others allegedly did...yet the hue and cry and wailing and gnashing of teeth against clutter seems to have faded faster than a Patpong t-shirt. Was one senior head on a pike really all it took to sate the de-clutter mob!? :p

Start a new thread if you have forum(s) to consider.

SkiAdcock Feb 18, 2009 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by nsx (Post 11280905)
The word "clutter" appears to be distracting people. The core principle is that a forum needs to pull its own weight by adding enough value to FT to justify its inclusion in what is already a pretty large Forums menu.

It's no more complicated than that.

Value can be demonstrated by post count, provided that those posts don't have somewhere else that would be a better home for them. Value can also be demonstrated by posts with focused content that has no good home anywhere else on FT. In this latter category are the more obscure programs and destinations. However even obscure focused content must meet some threshold of utilization to warrant inclusion in the Forums menu. The less focused the content, the higher that threshold should be, IMHO.

Well said. Thank you.

Cheers.


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