dhammer53

I'd like to ask TB to consider this motion...

When a member decides to rescind their motion, I'm suggesting that TB set up a procedure for allowing this recision (midstream) in the process.

I'm sure that somewhere down the road, this situation will come up (again).

Why waste the time if a member feels their motion isn't important, or, they have changed their minds.

tcook052

You can't rescind a TB motion you never made. While individual FTers can make requests, only TB members can initiate and second motions and, as I understand it, once that has been done and voting opens the motion cannot be withdrawn or otherwise vacated but merely voted down if the majority of TB disagree with it as presented regardless of how the original FTer feels about their original request. It's not a perfect system but it does work.

dhammer53

tcook,

I'm suggesting this as a preventative measure for the future.

dh

sbm12

It would still require the TB member to rescind the motion, not the person who made the request that the TB is acting upon.

That being said, I actually do not think it makes sense to have motions pulled off the table once they are opened to voting. At that point if enough people think it is a bad idea they can vote no or abstain.

BiziBB

TalkBoard members, former members and interested lay members - has such a rescission ever happened after a motion was seconded / opened to voting?

I suppose once a motion is open to voting, the voting takes place regardless of who supports or opposes the motion... though I know TB is just an advisory board, so this process can probably be canned by executive order.

Isn't this the point? TB is merely an advisory board to the owner/chief of FT.

Kiwi Flyer

Maybe.

One issue that has come up more than once is where the vote has been posted in the public forum after several Talkboard members have already voted, and only then does some information come to light that may have influenced several votes and affected the outcome. Because of the rules on numbers required to pass votes (and also reversing votes), it is possible under current TB rules/policies that a vote which may never have been passed had the information come to light cannot be reversed.

A second issue is that some motions to vote have been poorly worded. More than once the person who made the initial request has sought to amend the wording, or withdraw the vote once it has been started. Currently, neither can be done.

I don't think this particular motion is the only way to resolve these 2 issues, and may even not be the best way.

jaffa.oz

Interesting!

Perhaps the process of an "AMENDMENT" would deal with motions on the table for deliberation.

I know that many motions can be improved in hindsight, especially with the vast contributions of the broad membership base.

A good thing can always be made better and a bad thing should always be corrected.

ozstamps

Is recind a new American attempt to re-write proper English for rescind?

Dovster

I can remember only one case -- and that required Randy's intercession.

I don't agree with this suggestion. Let's say that I (if I were still on TB) have a particularly bad idea in mind and I make it as a motion. Let's go a step further and say that Koko seconds it only because he feels that any motion should be voted on. It soon becomes obvious that I am the only member who will vote for it.

Why should I be covered up for by TB? Isn't it better to let all of FT see the kind of thing that I favored?

phillipas

It seems to me that this request stems from jan_az withdrawing her request to post a charitable appeal - but TB continuing with the approval process.

Common sense surely says that once a request for approval no longer exists then it's all a bit of a waste of time considering it. If I tell my boss I want a months holiday over Christmas and she agrees, but notes she'll need to speak to her boss to OK it, and then I withdraw my request - is it really going to be on the agenda next time she meets her boss?

Simple suggestions:

If the proposer and the seconder of a motion want to withdraw it before voting is complete - let them and just drop the issue. If two other mambers want to bring the motion again then they can.

If someone requests permission to make a charitable appeal and drops their request before the permission mas been granted (i.e. voting being complete on the motion in question) then simply abandon the approval process.

dhammer53

No more posting for me until I have that 2nd cup of coffee.

jimbo99

Is "Is recind a new American attempt to re-write proper English for rescind?" a new Australian attempt to re-write the proper English for "Is recind a new American attempt to re-write the proper English for rescind?!"?

Third coffee?

kokonutz

FWIW, the TB is working diligently (and has been since the Freddies) on a new set of TB guidelines and operating procedures.

Speaking only for myself and only revealing my own words, I am hopeful the new TB process will be more flexible, clearer, more transparent and allow for more TB member AND poster input than the current process.

We (and hopefully you) will soon see...

Markie

I'd prefer a position where 300 members of at least twelve months standing could over turn a decision of TalkBoard. But I imagine that is never going to happen!

Dovster

And how many members of at least 12 months standing would be needed to overturn the decision of those 300?