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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by chexfan
But to bring it back on topic, has the TalkBoard, as a Board, been offered the opportunity to meet IB in person?
WITH a $600 'stipend' for doing so like the mods apparently get?
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 4:51 pm
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Fair enough.

Will it take you long to prepare a list where you have uttered the
"I think the Community would enjoy..." in all your 8.874 posts since I'm of the understanding that you put the community in front of your own personal needs. Let me know when that list is ready and i'll send one of the employees over with the wheelbarrow.

Now this has been fun, but i do need to call you out on your use of a moderator quote, "...and really interferes with my duties as a moderator.". The reason is quite simple. Whether knowingly or not, you employed the OMNI gambit, which refers to selective filtering of words. For instance, in this quote you use, right before those words were these words, "It hampers my ability to maximize FT for me as a member...".

Reading back over this i simply have no idea why you would choose to use Moderators as a pawn in this. It is clear the issue is all of our members would like to see Internet Brands respect the culture that has evolved over time in a certain acceptance of advertising and technical solutions for our members. What the hell difference who it is talking to someone/anyone to make it clear what the expectations are from members of FlyerTalk in these two areas. I would think we are all better for it.

This topic is over for me. i'll let your words stand for you, just as i'll let my words stand for me.

Originally Posted by chexfan
Not a single Moderator has uttered anything along the lines of, "I think the Community would enjoy..."
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by chexfan
Even including Moderator-specific complaints...
Originally Posted by Canarsie
As a FlyerTalk moderator, I really, really need the ability to be able to search by title.
From anyone's perspective, it seems that they are acting out of their OWN best interest.

Not a single Moderator has uttered anything along the lines of, "I think the Community would enjoy..." -OR- has a Moderator solicited opinions of the general membership? I don't think so. THEREFORE one can only conclude that they are not representing the community, but only their personal needs.
I adjusted your quote so that FlyerTalk members may refer to the original quote in which you posted, chexfan.

I am not ashamed. That quote is exactly what I posted.

Now that the Search function has been fixed, I may continue to serve FlyerTalk members in the forums to which I have been assigned ― especially the Hilton forum, where FlyerTalk members seem to appreciate the work I do there regarding the cleanup and organization of that specific forum. Sure, I could spend my own time on myself, but I choose to serve FlyerTalk members voluntarily.

Although it may seem that way to you, I can also assure you that I am not acting out of my own best interests. You are proof of that. I never forgot all of the assistance from you in transferring information from the The NEW FlyerTalk: Helpful Hints, Tips and Suggestions to Enhance Your Experience thread to the Wiki area.

As always, anyone who questions the way I moderate FlyerTalk is more than welcome to contact me and give me constructive feedback on how I may improve myself.
Originally Posted by kokonutz
WITH a $600 'stipend' for doing so like the mods apparently get?
By the way, kokonutz ― I have never received a US$600.00 stipend for attending a moderator meeting.

This response by me is not an attack on either of you, I can assure you. I just wanted to set the record straight regarding FlyerTalk as it relates to me.
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
WITH a $600 'stipend' for doing so like the mods apparently get?
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Randy Petersen
Will it take you long to prepare a list where you have uttered the "I think the Community would enjoy..." in all your 8.874 posts since I'm of the understanding that you put the community in front of your own personal needs. Let me know when that list is ready and i'll send one of the employees over with the wheelbarrow.
1st of all, I am a participant like everyone else. Why should I be held at a higher standard when I am not representing the community?

But to stifle any attempt that I don't care about this Community, here's a quick start of thinking about the FT Community first...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=13
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...9&postcount=27
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...86&postcount=8
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...67&postcount=2

And of course... the crusade to eliminate non-travel topics from SPAM.

Originally Posted by Randy Petersen
Now this has been fun, but i do need to call you out on your use of a moderator quote, "...and really interferes with my duties as a moderator.". The reason is quite simple. Whether knowingly or not, you employed the OMNI gambit, which refers to selective filtering of words. For instance, in this quote you use, right before those words were these words, "It hampers my ability to maximize FT for me as a member...".
It still doesn't change the fact that moderating abilities were mentioned.

Originally Posted by Randy Petersen
Reading back over this i simply have no idea why you would choose to use Moderators as a pawn in this. It is clear the issue is all of our members would like to see Internet Brands respect the culture that has evolved over time in a certain acceptance of advertising and technical solutions for our members. What the hell difference who it is talking to someone/anyone to make it clear what the expectations are from members of FlyerTalk in these two areas. I would think we are all better for it.
It just does. The point is that there are claims that Mods are just normal members. But they're not. It was claimed that they were representing the FT membership, but I can assure you that many people don't understand why MODS are representing the membership when we have a TalkBoard.

The Mods are a unique disparate sect of FTers that are invited in. They're not representing me. They are representing themselves.

Why are only the Mods' opinions valued? Were other FTers invited to the session w/ IB?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by chexfan
The Mods are a unique disparate sect of FTers that are invited in. They're not representing me. They are representing themselves.
The real answers to many of the questions in the first 20 posts is who really cares.
These verbal sparings seem to be meant for the enjoyment of the individual posters more than anything else.

If the majority of Flyertalkers actually read some of this stuff, they'd be
As Randy always states, we're here to learn about, and maximize our miles and points; along with passing along valuable info. @:-)

If I recall correctly, Moderators have to apply to join the ranks. From what I understand, not everyone is accepted. The Moderators are there to help individual forum members when the need arises. I've always found them helpful. But who would have the nerve to argue with a Brooklynite anyway.

So when Chexy says [I][They are representing themselves,/I] I don't really understand the comment.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by obscure2k


Why SHOULDN'T the elected TB be invited to interact with IB under the same conditions that moderators are?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz


Why SHOULDN'T the elected TB be invited to interact with IB under the same conditions that moderators are?
Good, good question. I hear the crickets chirping already.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 2:37 pm
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koko, with all due respect, if you'd stop being such an ... for just a moment you might get your answer. The mods were having this meeting anyway - get it? It wasn't about IB, it was about training for consistency among our volunteers and you chex can go ahead and mock this group all you want but frankly it is starting to wear thin. Since at the time of the IB transaction, i insisted that IB be required to continue to support these training sessions, they invited themselves to attend. When that was known, the mods took it upon themselves to also include a few minutes where they could rant to IB about ads and tech issues since they did not know when such a face-to-face thing might happen with IB and other members of FlyerTalk. But now you and chex come along and seem to insinuate that you want IB to hear about theses items, but that if they have to hear of them from the Mods, you don't want that to happen. I simply cannot believe you are that selfish or that narrow minded or that self centered or hateful towards these volunteers that you would even make this an issue.

As for the other answer which seems easy to understand - the TB does not have regular scheduled meeting like the Mods do. TB does not require training or development of best practices. So there is no place where IB could go to easily interact with this group other than online and that already happens.

I believe the question asked has been answered.

But what will never be answered it appears is why you and chex and now RichMSN think it such a real sport top harass another group on members on this Board. You wear your distain on your sleeve. At one time you were all productive and positive members with something to add to FlyerTalk. If this is the type of silly contribution you choose to make over and over again on FlyerTalk, then I'm afraid you will have to live with the embarrassment you bring yourself in front of the eyes of our members.

So koko, whether you like it or not, a group of members of FlyerTalk will be front and center in person with IB about our expectations of technology uptime with FlyerTalk and what seems to be a disastrous breech of acceptance on what advertising best represents FlyerTalk members interest. I am glad that someone, anyone is able to do this.

I hope I make this point very clear?

Originally Posted by kokonutz


Why SHOULDN'T the elected TB be invited to interact with IB under the same conditions that moderators are?
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