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Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7548265)
My post count is because it is worthless anyhow.
Post counts are worthless but they also convey all this important information about a poster's travel knowledge? Can't have it both ways, Dovster. Why not just tell us what you really think (or at least pick something and stick with it)? |
Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7547638)
I think you are the third or fourth poster who has told me I have some ulterior agenda.
Please be the first to tell me what it is. First we were told it was street cred of the information. I showed where that claim was nonsense. Then it changed to penis er poster envy. And you wonder why some of us think it really is something else? and no, it isn't you who has the hidden agenda, it is the talkboard. I think if there is a credibility issue in the halls of FT we may have surreptitiously identified it . |
Originally Posted by magiciansampras
(Post 7548274)
So then you're contradicting yourself.
Post counts are worthless but they also convey all this important information about a poster's travel knowledge? Can't have it both ways, Dovster. Why not just tell us what you really think (or at least pick something and stick with it)? Not everybody sees that (indeed, if they did there would not be all this fuss about losing some Omni posts) and some of those people make the mistake of judging reliability on post counts. |
Originally Posted by underpressure
(Post 7548316)
and no, it isn't you who has the hidden agenda, it is the talkboard.
Cholula seconded the motion. I still have no idea of whether TalkBoard will pass the motion or not -- so if anybody has a hidden agenda it has to be me, possibly supported by Cholula. I am really sorry to disappoint everyone, but I do not have any hidden agenda. |
Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 7547610)
This is an important issue... more than most posters may at first recognize, and it isnt really about simple and silly threads on Omni that exist solely for padding post counts. It also really isn't primarily about post count being a substitutional metric for trust.
This core issue is behavioral, and concerned with behavioral motivation in a realtively large community. Most behavior is, at one level or another, driven by reward, or lack thereof, based on metrics that include status and renumeration, or currency. The only measurable currency on FT is post count and title, and right now, it is earned without regard to "quality" of the behavior relative to the core purpose of the board. If the core purpose of this board is travel related conversation, then any currency on this website should be structured to reward travel related discussion, and issue no reward for other discussion. The Omni section of the board exists solely for this other discussion, and participation in it should confer no "currency" or reward in the board status system. The analogy here is to cut back a plant that grows tall and thin, because by doing so it grows much fuller and more vibrantly. Status is real, and everyone here knows it, because it is avidly pursued in a hundred different proxies for "real life" status, including FF programs, etc. Status is just as real on FT, and is conferred by post count, titles, elected office, etc. It is no more and no less than a proxy for "real life." So again, the issue here is to whether status is to be granted for noncore activities on this board. The lengths to which people will go to obtain this status is evident by the lengths to which they argue against their own dimunition of status in this thread, often without making reference to that as being their motivation. That alone acts as validation of the core theory. I applaud the TB for willingness to adjust board status in the "coin of the realm" by making it aligned with behaviors that increase the total value of the community. Cut back the plant to allow it to grow fuller and with more and larger flowers. It's a powerful motion, one more powerful than it at first appears, and deserving of support by all those who wish for a more vibrant and informative travel based community. Just to eliminate speculation, I voted in favor of this proposal. And I'm quoting this post because it sums up very well my feeling on this subject. I'm one of those who will probably see my post count dinged by a few hundred posts... and I'm okay with that. Its somewhat parallel to a discussion I've had with AA/UA flyers about the differences in those two program's designation of "Million Miler" status. On UA, only butt-in-seat miles count while on AA, any mileage earning (including contests, bonus matches, and credit card miles) counts. If we had a title on FT that was just "Million Miler" but didn't list the airline, its a completely different ballgame to know whether a person has been on an airplane for one company for 1,000,000 miles - or whether they are just really good at registering for promos and using their credit card. I put a different level of credence in one vs. the other - and I'm also with other posters who say that perhaps that there are OTHER forums that don't advance the travel purpose that we should consider. But those forums weren't in the motion at hand - this one is. I've taken the time to query a few people who are regular FT users as well as to read through this thread. The only members who have suggested to me that OMNI post counts ought to remain are those that are likely to be heavily affected by it (i.e. lose a significant part of their post count and/or a title). FWIW (and transparency) here is what I said about OMNI during the campaigning for TB: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=16 |
Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7548354)
some of those people make the mistake of judging reliability on post counts.
Why aren't they speaking on this thread? Why are people who have said precisely the opposite posted here? Where are these legions of clueless people?? |
Originally Posted by techgirl
(Post 7548377)
The only members who have suggested to me that OMNI post counts ought to remain are those that are likely to be heavily affected by it (i.e. lose a significant part of their post count and/or a title).
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Originally Posted by techgirl
(Post 7548377)
Just to eliminate speculation, I voted in favor of this proposal. And I'm quoting this post because it sums up very well my feeling on this subject.
I'm one of those who will probably see my post count dinged by a few hundred posts... and I'm okay with that. Its somewhat parallel to a discussion I've had with AA/UA flyers about the differences in those two program's designation of "Million Miler" status. On UA, only butt-in-seat miles count while on AA, any mileage earning (including contests, bonus matches, and credit card miles) counts. If we had a title on FT that was just "Million Miler" but didn't list the airline, its a completely different ballgame to know whether a person has been on an airplane for one company for 1,000,000 miles - or whether they are just really good at registering for promos and using their credit card. I put a different level of credence in one vs. the other - and I'm also with other posters who say that perhaps that there are OTHER forums that don't advance the travel purpose that we should consider. But those forums weren't in the motion at hand - this one is. I've taken the time to query a few people who are regular FT users as well as to read through this thread. The only members who have suggested to me that OMNI post counts ought to remain are those that are likely to be heavily affected by it (i.e. lose a significant part of their post count and/or a title). FWIW (and transparency) here is what I said about OMNI during the campaigning for TB: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=16 |
Originally Posted by SlowTrekker
(Post 7548392)
Given what you have posted here, will you now please make a TB motion to stop counting posts from the OT threads, Newstand, Community, etc. ????
Until then, it is poster envy. A childish envy, but poster envy nonetheless. |
I have avoided this discussion for the simple fact that many people are angry with me for the fact that I started the "Countdown from 100,000" thread. That thread was started as a joke, as I stated in the original post, "It must be a slow Saturday night." I never expected the thread in any way to pick up the momentum that it did from a few members. I have, in fact, more than once referred to it as "my evil stepchild."
With that said, the countdown has been more than just numbers. Those who frequent it know when other counters are out of town, what the weather is in various parts of the world, and have in fact gotten to know other FT members. In short, it has led to a sense of community for FT members, which is part of the FT experience. If the Talk Board doesn't like "distorted" post counts, maybe the only posts that should count are those that would receive a "positive post" report, which could replace or supplement the "bad post" notification system. I just think its funny that people are trying to decide what posts "count." I made many posts in the "Unabashed Cholula Spam" thread when it was in the Delta Forum, but it was moved to OMNI when it was closed. Does that mean those posts no longer count, but my posts in the Delta Lounge which supplanted it will count? That is at best arbitrary and meaningless. Either count all posts or don't count any. That is my bottom line. |
TalkBoard - Guidelines 1. MISSION 1. The FlyerTalk TalkBoard (TB) exists to - represent the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large - to serve in an advisory capacity to the Flyer Talk host 2. The TB serves the following purposes: - prioritizing recommendations on product/service enhancements for FlyerTalk - involvement in the Q&A process - participating in alpha/beta testing and participating between the Beta and general release (Beta acceptance) of product/service development - providing input to the FlyerTalk host regarding general user issues as may be directed to them by the general FT Member population. - responding to action requests from the FlyerTalk host for issues/situations that fall outside the scope of established policies and procedures - ensuring on-going feedback between the FlyerTalk host, his representatives, and its General Members. 2. Can I see the request from a general user that requested this action? |
Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7547878)
Lehava:
1. Randy has not expressed any opinion about this motion one way or the other. 2. If you remember, when I ran for TalkBoard Randy took the very unusual step of having his signature line say he would not vote for me. This would hardly incline me to do Randy's bidding in the face of what I consider good for FlyerTalk. And while he hasnt spoken on the motion, his view on Omni is VERY often stated |
Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7548354)
Post counts are worthless.
Not everybody sees that (indeed, if they did there would not be all this fuss about losing some Omni posts) and some of those people make the mistake of judging reliability on post counts. |
Originally Posted by techgirl
(Post 7548377)
Just to eliminate speculation, I voted in favor of this proposal. And I'm quoting this post because it sums up very well my feeling on this subject.
I'm one of those who will probably see my post count dinged by a few hundred posts... and I'm okay with that. Its somewhat parallel to a discussion I've had with AA/UA flyers about the differences in those two program's designation of "Million Miler" status. On UA, only butt-in-seat miles count while on AA, any mileage earning (including contests, bonus matches, and credit card miles) counts. If we had a title on FT that was just "Million Miler" but didn't list the airline, its a completely different ballgame to know whether a person has been on an airplane for one company for 1,000,000 miles - or whether they are just really good at registering for promos and using their credit card. I put a different level of credence in one vs. the other - and I'm also with other posters who say that perhaps that there are OTHER forums that don't advance the travel purpose that we should consider. But those forums weren't in the motion at hand - this one is. I've taken the time to query a few people who are regular FT users as well as to read through this thread. The only members who have suggested to me that OMNI post counts ought to remain are those that are likely to be heavily affected by it (i.e. lose a significant part of their post count and/or a title). FWIW (and transparency) here is what I said about OMNI during the campaigning for TB: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=16 Thanks for that information. I would like to reiterate the question as to whether you will also propose doing this to other forums, and if so which ones? I would also like to ask if we will know how everyone on the TalkBoard votes? |
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 7547804)
Frankly, much of what has been posted in this thread is speculation.
Here is a suggestion for the TalkBoard: why not have a trial test period of the proposed motion — 6 months, for example — to prove one way or another what effect the motion will have on FlyerTalk and its members? |
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