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Originally Posted by Lehava
(Post 7547162)
Do you really believe that? Once this motion passes I do NOT see getting that horse back in the barn! Your theory works if it fails, but what if it doesnt?
However, if the motion does pass, then the suggestion is moot, since no OMNI posts will be counted. |
Lehava, I would not be surprised if I am already being blamed for this whole thing.
Originally Posted by RichMSN
(Post 7546777)
As long as you represent all the members, and not just what Randy and a few Senior Moderators want.
There is a difference. Also, let’s be clear that there is no additional weight on the motion simply because three out of four Senior Moderators recommend Trident to patients who chew gum — er... I mean, agree with the motion. As I said earlier in this thread, if the motion does not pass, it really makes no difference to me. |
Originally Posted by Jenbel
(Post 7547208)
Yes, I really believe that or I wouldn't have posted it. You seem to be assuming it's a dead cert that the motion will pass. That's certainly your perogative, but I'm not assuming the same.
However, if the motion does pass, then the suggestion is moot, since no OMNI posts will be counted. On this topic, Randy has made it VERY clear publically many times what he thinks of Omni (ironically just recently in ORP before this came up for a vote...interesting timing), the Sr Moderators dont want the posts to count, to me that pretty much says no matter what we, the people who elected the TB, say that it will happen and is a done deal. I really hope I am wrong, as I think this will create a no-going back rift in the FT community, but I dont think it will fail. |
Are inexperienced posters welcome to post here? I have not been posting long, so I guess I am a newbe. I don't know at what point anyone becomes something other than a newbe. It looks like Flyertalk has only been around since 1998 and to some that would make all a newbe. But here is my point. I have never paid any attention to the titles or post count as any type of stamp of knowledge or approval. It seems to me the long timers make more of deal of it than anyone else. Why would I think the advice of someone in the Delta forum with a high count knows more about it than someone with a low count? They could have made all those posts in Alitalia and have no clue about Delta. On the other hand a person that only has posted 12 times might be an employee or manager and reads here a lot and only post to the Delta thread and only when it is something that needs a real answer. Some of you talk as if there is a prize for the most post or that you are going to get together and wear medals bragging about your posts or titles. I think it is silly. All the post counts tell me is that someone spends an awful lot of time on a computer and not enough time in the real world. More specifically it appears that some have made this forum a life. I am not knocking it, I just think that the idea that someone might take someones post count as a stamp of approval or level of knowledge is ludicrous. You may delete this post if my thoughts are not allowed. I just saw vote and that usually gets my attention.
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Originally Posted by underpressure
(Post 7547086)
OK. I went and looked at the Vandy posts....
of thirty five posts since 2004 Twenty were focused on a trip(s) to Hawaii that were answered by the Hawaii moderator, 6 were in ORP on this topic 3 were Birthday wishes for the moderator who gave the advise. and the other 6 were miscellenous. Not one of the questions that were asked were responded to by anyone who has an inflated OMNI post count. There was not a problem as described with that case. Next....
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 7547219)
..This motion is something with which I agree — not something that I want.
There is a difference. ... Given the one widely cited example doesn't hold water, why do you agree? |
Originally Posted by EasternTraveler
(Post 7547324)
Are inexperienced posters welcome to post here? I have not been posting long, so I guess I am a newbe. I don't know at what point anyone becomes something other than a newbe. It looks like Flyertalk has only been around since 1998 and to some that would make all a newbe. But here is my point. I have never paid any attention to the titles or post count as any type of stamp of knowledge or approval. It seems to me the long timers make more of deal of it than anyone else. Why would I think the advice of someone in the Delta forum with a high count knows more about it than someone with a low count? They could have made all those posts in Alitalia and have no clue about Delta. On the other hand a person that only has posted 12 times might be an employee or manager and reads here a lot and only post to the Delta thread and only when it is something that needs a real answer. Some of you talk as if there is a prize for the most post or that you are going to get together and wear medals bragging about your posts or titles. I think it is silly. All the post counts tell me is that someone spends an awful lot of time on a computer and not enough time in the real world. More specifically it appears that some have made this forum a life. I am not knocking it, I just think that the idea that someone might take someones post count as a stamp of approval or level of knowledge is ludicrous. You may delete this post if my thoughts are not allowed. I just saw vote and that usually gets my attention.
Thank you for your input on this topic |
Originally Posted by EasternTraveler
(Post 7547324)
Are inexperienced posters welcome to post here? I have not been posting long, so I guess I am a newbe. I don't know at what point anyone becomes something other than a newbe. It looks like Flyertalk has only been around since 1998 and to some that would make all a newbe. But here is my point. I have never paid any attention to the titles or post count as any type of stamp of knowledge or approval. It seems to me the long timers make more of deal of it than anyone else. Why would I think the advice of someone in the Delta forum with a high count knows more about it than someone with a low count? They could have made all those posts in Alitalia and have no clue about Delta. On the other hand a person that only has posted 12 times might be an employee or manager and reads here a lot and only post to the Delta thread and only when it is something that needs a real answer. Some of you talk as if there is a prize for the most post or that you are going to get together and wear medals bragging about your posts or titles. I think it is silly. All the post counts tell me is that someone spends an awful lot of time on a computer and not enough time in the real world. More specifically it appears that some have made this forum a life. I am not knocking it, I just think that the idea that someone might take someones post count as a stamp of approval or level of knowledge is ludicrous. You may delete this post if my thoughts are not allowed. I just saw vote and that usually gets my attention.
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 7547219)
Lehava, I would not be surprised if I am already being blamed for this whole thing.This motion is something with which I agree — not something that I want.
There is a difference. Also, let’s be clear that there is no additional weight on the motion simply because three out of four Senior Moderators recommend Trident to patients who chew gum — er... I mean, agree with the motion. As I said earlier in this thread, if the motion does not pass, it really makes no difference to me. My point is that a LOT of what it takes to make FT a community does not have direct "travel information" value. And trying to segregate that is INSANE! |
Originally Posted by underpressure
(Post 7547337)
Canarsie:
Given the one widely cited example doesn't hold water, why do you agree? Past discussions pertaining to the issue at hand cited that thread as the cause — or, at least, one of the main causes. Despite topics such as miles, points, travel, dining, and even simple inane chatter being posted in that thread, FlyerTalk members have complained about the “post count” of people who posted in that thread. This is also despite some of the most prolific posters in that thread, such as Kiwi Flyer, also being some of the most helpful FlyerTalk members. At least this time, the difference is that while the thread was mentioned before I posted for the first time in this thread, at least it is not the main cause for once. |
For me... I don't pay attention to my post count or whatever title I have. (I'm still surprised that Randy remembers me as "Commander Catcop." ;) ) If I become a moderator - will I still be Commander Catcop? (not that I mind.)
It would be nice to drop the post counts and the titles all together (except maybe the notations on who are the F-T Moderators and the Talk Board members) This IMHO would give everyone an equal status on F-T, that all posters are important whether they have 100 posts or 40 thousand. I too think OMNI and other stuff including Community posts should be taken out of the post #'s. I think people are smart enough who do enough reading to find those Flyertalkers who are familiar with their frequent flyer/guest programs and seek out their posts. I don't think post counts can determine that. But here's another suggestion on the post count # debate: Is there a way that post#'s could be replaced with another measuring stick such as is found on this bulletin board called Jersey City List: http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/ Check out how members are listed. Very frequent posters are "Home away from home"; newbees are noted as "Just popping in." This could eliminate the fuss over numbers. One you reach a certain post count you can get the next level listing. Then there's no "number envy." Maybe it's a different UBB system but just making a suggestion. Thanks for listening. OMNI for Spiff... I think they can only be ONE Commander Catcop but you can be "Deputy Catcop." :) |
Once again I agree with Mary 2e
Originally Posted by Mary2e
(Post 7547094)
As I said in the original thread that sparked this vote, I could really care less one way or the other. As a matter of fact, I hit the 10k post mark around that time and I didn't even know I was close. It was pointed out to me by someone on that thread.
That's just how important they are to me. Everyone is so concerned about newbies impressions of high Omni-generated post counts and I will use myself as an example. Had I registered, I would be an original member or darned close. I found FT right after it started, was amazed and read it every single day since then. I was a total FF novice and I learned a ton from those original posters and was too intimidated by my lack of knowledge to register. But I absorbed information, and absorbed some more, and then some. When I finally registered my main forums were UA, HH, Orlando & Hawaii. It's where I was best able to help. The forums have now changed, but I doubt there's very many people here who could match my Disney knowledge and I often end up giving advice via PM because people don't want to post their private information. I'm very active in Hyatt now too. Still, there are people with much better knowledge of COs program than me and I often don't post for fear of giving wrong information. I read about 10 forums daily and pretty much am up to date with respect to their current "events" I visit Omni for the community aspect and have always visited it for that reason since its inception. If Omni no longer counts, well, so be it. I will probably lose half my post count. And I really don't care. However, who is to say that a poster who does not post all that much in the travel forums isn't a whiz at the program? Even if my post count drops to below 100 (and it won't) who is to say that my advice for the Hyatt program, or Disney, or Hawaii isn't good, thorough, or not made with the best of intentions to truly assist a person? One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that wrong information is often quickly corrected by the member base or the mods. I don't believe it's about quantity but quality and number is a poor judge of the latter. The content of the post is what matters. All that said I'll repeat that it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. The elite of the elite. However, by what I learned from 'lurking' on FT I was not only able to increase the actual number of miles in my FF acounts, but to get more value for them when I used them. My travel knowledge (largely gained via FT) got me a better job catagory in my office. I feel that people treat me with more respect when I travel. I now have the look of someone who knows what she is doing. It is an added bonus that I've gotten to know some really nice folks via FT. I don't care one way or another about the post count. In fact I am shocked at how high my has gotten. I fear if my boss finds out....... Most things change over time. How posts are counted may be one of them. But if things stay the same, I don't think it matters in the long run. It's what we actually say that matters. |
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 7547383)
It is largely because of the Who Will Be The Next FlyerTalk Member To Post? An OMNI Game thread, which was created by me.
Past discussions pertaining to the issue at hand cited that thread as the cause — or, at least, one of the main causes. Despite topics such as miles, points, travel, dining, and even simple inane chatter being posted in that thread, FlyerTalk members have complained about the “post count” of people who posted in that thread. This is also despite some of the most prolific posters in that thread, such as Kiwi Flyer, also being some of the most helpful FlyerTalk members. At least this time, the difference is that while the thread was mentioned before I posted for the first time in this thread, at least it is not the main cause for once. I am trying to understand. Or at least get to the bottom of this silliness. Again, given the widely cited example of Vanderbilt doesn't hold water, what other reason would FTers complain about "post count"? |
Originally Posted by Gargoyle
(Post 7546910)
So, what is broken?
GU, you've stated at least a dozen times that you don't see a problem, repeating that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. OTOH, some of us see a very clear problem- a fundamental imbalance and unfairness in what feels like a false prestige or unearned status acquired by certain members. I see post numbers for a lot of people jumping by 5k or 10k per year and I see a lot of good members who drop out at the 20 to 300 post mark. I want to encourage those people to stick around and overcome their shyness. Relying upon post count to make a judgment about the value of a particular post is akin to thinking that just because someone has more carry-on luggage the tall tales they are telling are more likely to be the truth than a passenger carrying less carry-on luggage. |
Originally Posted by Catman
(Post 7547418)
It would be nice to drop the post counts and the titles all together (except maybe the notations on who are the F-T Moderators and the Talk Board members) This IMHO would give everyone an equal status on F-T, that all posters are important whether they have 100 posts or 40 thousand.
If the current motion passes I think the problem will be solved but if it doesn't your idea may well be one I will put forward. I would not, however, exempt either the "Moderator" or "TalkBoard Member" titles. After all, these are only important when we are posting in our official positions and they can be added to the bottom of the post (as I have often seen Cholula do on the TS&S forum). When Plato90s is commenting on the New England Patriots does it really matter if he is a moderator of the AA Forum or not? When I am discussing the kosher meals on Delta Coach, is it at all pertinent that I am a TalkBoard member? I don't know if such a motion will pass TB -- or even get someone to second it -- but it might well be one I would make. |
Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7546955)
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but nobody can honestly say that it helps further the main purpose of FlyerTalk, which is sharing travel information.
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