Can you explain the difference between an OMNI dalliance and an OT BA comment? Or a DL Lounge entry? or a Community Thread happy birthday thread comment? Or a tech issue comment? Or a Roll Call entry in GBLT? Or a comment in ORP?

What is a forum post? Omni is a forum!!!! All those things people are calling useless are forums, they are part of FT. That is the part the TB is forgetting. We have now designate parts of FT that matter and don't and that will be decided by someone other than the membership. Oh well, voicing our opinion is as I postulated earlier a waste of time, as votes have already been cast. Would have been nice if our elected officials would have waited to hear from us before they voted, but oh well, it is what it is!!!

*moving my chair over with the second class citizens who post in valueless-forums...good thing I like my friends in low places*

True, but the OMNI idea was bandied about on that thread pretty early on.

I can't speak for GUWonder, but this is not an issue of ego for me. As stated above, I'll reset my post count to 0 if all the TB members vote against this measure. Why would I do that? Because I care about TB doing what is right for FT, not exercising control for something that doesn't need fixing.

You might think this is about ego of those against the motion. I think it is about ego of those for the motion. There are people pissed off that you can get "Evangelist" by posting in OMNI. Just like there were people pissed that a certain user got a bunch of posts in Newstand. @:-)

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Can none of the sponsors of this motion answer these easy questions? If there are so many people that are getting screwed by bad info, shouldn't they be easy to point out?

OK, this motion is about not counting posts in Omni, but it seems your reason for supporting that motion is that you feel BIS miles are more valuable in achieving "Million Miler" status than those attained through any promotions, or credit card purchases. I'm not sure why this bothers me so much, but it does.

Certainly, there are different ways of accumulating points or miles (and I suspect most people use both flying and non-flying means to add to their totals, as I do), and you are not alone in feeling that one way is 'truer' than another, but personally, I think this can get get extended too far.

While you are talking about membership in a specific 'club' above, may I ask if your feelings on this extend to accumulating mileage in general? There certainly is an attitude that crops up on FT that some means of accumulation are more worthy than others and some types of travel are more worthy than others. Maybe that is really what is underlying all this Omni post count discussion, I honestly don't know any more.

I am wondering what "the travel purpose that we should consider" might be and who "we" are, but perhaps that is another topic. However, since you have raised it in terms of your rationale for supporting this motion, I do wonder if you have supported the motion because you would also like to discount posts on credit card mileage discussions. Or on redemption of miles earned on credit card mileage. Or on CRJ flights. Or on domestic flights, unless they have status to get upgraded. Or on flyers who don't fly internationally or don't fly on the right airlines. (Yes I know I am carrying this a bit far.... :) )

I do see why this discussion never stops with Omni. People on both sides escalate it into a discussion of worthy vs non-worthy posts. I see Lehava's points on that, now.

And personally, I am starting to feel ashamed that we have made people like Cornroaster, hhoope01, and even Canarsie feel bad.

So maybe then *you* can answer the questions I'm asking that none of the motion's sponsors can, you know, since you're so dispassionate?

While I hope that this motion passes, I don't have the compulsive need to prove everyone else wrong in defending my point of view.

I'll rely on the TB, and respect whatever decision they make.

Maybe that's because the TB seems to be supporting your position? Typically the underdog needs to fight harder.

BTW, I'll take that as a no, you can't answer the questions posed either. @:-)

Yes, and based on this post <LINK>, as of March 21st there didn't seem to be a lot of momentum toward moving to strike only the OMNI posts from the count.

Speaking of that post: Dovster, could you please review your words in the linked post, then move the TalkBoard to "Don't Count Lounge Posts In Member Post Counts", "Don't Count OT Thread Posts In Member Post Counts", and "Don't Count More than 5 Posts-Per-Thread In Member Post Counts" please?

See the pentultimate paragraph:
"...Hey, if TB wanted to go a step further and remove all Delta Forum Lounge posts as well, I would have no problem with that, either..."

No.

I'm fully in favor of not-counting such posts as well.

I'm not sure if it is technically feasible to count or discount individual threads or individual posts (which is why we may be unable, for example, to discount posts in threads about sitting next to a celebrity on a flight). But apparently it is feasible to discount entire fora. So I would fully support giving no credit to posts in "Community", "Only Randy Peterson", and the like.

And to whom shall we entrust deciding what has value and what doesn't???????

I have read with interest this very quickly growing long thread and I have went to omni and read some of the stuff there. This all appears to be about jealousy and ego, not about some real problem. Reminds me a lot of the government or a union. They have to make a motion in order to justify their existance. It does not matter whether there is really a problem or not. But in order to get re-elected or continue the program they have to make themselves known as active. Kind of sad, if you ask me. What you are advocating is making discrimination a part of flyertalk. If you are not going to count one set of posts, you might as well get out the magnifying glass as there is a lot of "JUNK" posts in every thread I visit. But if you insist on this course of action, it would lend credence to the post count and to me that would mean that you are advocating that a post count substantiates a persons expertease and could result in more problems than you realize. The suggestion to show post counts in a forum as the number of posts a poster has made in that forum does make sense. You could have a total posts and right under it have a posts in this forum. This is so ridiculous, you say in this thread that this has came up several times in the past and failed. Maybe that is a hint or is just impossible for some to learn from history? Now the games seem a little ridiculous to me and that is one place that I would say create a non-counting sub-forum. But if you start to segregate other sub-forums or you try to segregate omni, you should really stop counting a whole lot of other posts as well.

You know the greatest irony in this
 

In the QA with our new owners one of their comments was that they LOVE omni and it was part of what drew them to FT, congrats to our talkboard telling them one of the things they loved about their new site is totally valueless to its governing body. Nice move!