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MapleLeaf Apr 7, 2007 10:22 pm


Originally Posted by underpressure (Post 7545470)
So long as the same logic is applied to Community Buzz, The OT BA and Canada, The Lounges, 99% of TSS, Coupon Connection, SPAM, and a few others... I will agree with you. When they are singling out OMNI as the "worthless post crowd" I will dissent. There are loads of other worthless posters here.

Great Post ^

If we can't live with the games sub-forum on OMNI, then this logic needs to be applied.

Anything non-travel related has to go.

sundrop Apr 7, 2007 10:40 pm


Originally Posted by MapleLeaf (Post 7546064)
Great Post ^

If we can't live with the games sub-forum on OMNI, then this logic needs to be applied.

Anything non-travel related has to go.

^

I think its just the ones who spoils there postcount via the above methods that will cry wolf

birdstrike Apr 7, 2007 10:48 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7546029)
???

Uh, link please to that "determination"?

Although rhetorically effective use of passive voice ^ :D

res ipsa loquitur :-: :)

cblaisd Apr 7, 2007 10:54 pm

¿Pero, qué dice? No sé. :)

birdstrike Apr 7, 2007 11:01 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7546110)
¿Pero, qué dice? No sé. :)

"The thing speaks for itself" :)

Dovster Apr 7, 2007 11:07 pm


Originally Posted by anonplz (Post 7545242)
My 100% honest opinion is that the principal motivation driving a push for this is envy for "official" status on a popular IBB, NOT concern for the interests of the FT community. YMMV.

Anonplz, you and I have roughly the same post count. Both of us are heavy Omni posters.

You have "Evangelist" under your name. I have "TalkBoard Member" but that will disappear in November (I have already said I am not going to run again) and if this motion does not pass it will be replaced by "Evangelist".

I really do not know how many Omni posts you have or how many I have but I suspect that both of us will lose our "Evangelist" status if it does pass.

Given all of that, how could I possibly be envious of your status and how would it help me if this motion were to pass?

GUWonder Apr 7, 2007 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 7546134)
Anonplz, you and I have roughly the same post count. Both of us are heavy Omni posters.

You have "Evangelist" under your name. I have "TalkBoard Member" but that will disappear in November (I have already said I am not going to run again) and if this motion does not pass it will be replaced by "Evangelist".

I really do not know how many Omni posts you have or how many I have but I suspect that both of us will lose our "Evangelist" status if it does pass.

Given all of that, how could I possibly be envious of your status and how would it help me if this motion were to pass?

Your motives could well be aligned with the objectives of even those with other motivations (i.e., including those who have a motivation akin to that described as the "principal motivation" earlier by a fellow FTer). In other words, it seems to me that you are asking the wrong question in relation to yourself. What's the point in doing that, when you could come out and more directly state what your concerns are? I'm still interested in knowing what problem is there that you are trying to address with this motion that cannot be addressed by things that are already in play on FT.

Also, are you and the co-sponsor of this motion next going to advance a motion to eliminate post counts related to those other threads/forums mentioned earlier in this thread too? And after that, will you and a co-sponsor then advance a motion for a post-level determination to come into play too? What about those threads that start off as one thing and end up being mostly another thing and then get moved/disappeared? I'm wondering about where this is going -- especially when a "fix" is being advanced for a "problem" that doesn't seem to be a problem that can't be addressed by things already in play on FT.

Dovster Apr 7, 2007 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 7546141)
So are you and the co-sponsor of this motion next going to advance a motion to eliminate post counts related to those other threads/forums too?

I can't even begin to count how many times I have answered that question. If you don't bother reading my answers, why should I bother answering your questions?

cblaisd Apr 7, 2007 11:25 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 7546124)
"The thing speaks for itself" :)

Uh, yes. I got that.

Tambien: "¿Pero, qué dice?"

But what does it say?

GUWonder Apr 7, 2007 11:25 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 7546151)
I can't even begin to count how many times I have answered that question. If you don't bother reading my answers, why should I bother answering your questions?

You said it (a motion) would now most likely fail if it lumped in those categories too. So is this an incremental approach, one to go after those areas next? It definitely seems headed in that direction if you get your way with this motion.

More importantly, I'm still interested in knowing what problem is there that you are trying to address with this motion that cannot be addressed by things that are already in play on FT.

GUWonder Apr 7, 2007 11:29 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7546164)
Uh, yes. I got that.

Tambien: "¿Pero, qué dice?"

But what does it say?

OMNI went and came back because it's a vital part of FT? I'm curious what the new owners' take is on this. :D

birdstrike Apr 7, 2007 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7546164)
Tambien: "¿Pero, qué dice?"

But what does it say?

Sorry, still waiting for my Spanish Pimsleur CDs to arrive. Going to Galapagos and Chile and need to touch up.

It says that 7+ years of debate have led to a decision that Omni is an integral part of the FlyerTalk community.

Participate in Omni and you are participating in FlyerTalk.

N674UW Apr 7, 2007 11:39 pm

First off, this has been a very enjoyable thread to read; thanks to all for some great discussion on this issue!

Now, if I may, I'd like to add a few things

Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer (Post 7544522)
Those who oppose this change apparently claim that post counts are relatively meaningless and ergo there is no need to discount posts that don't contribute to the essential purpose of this board: miles and points.

But if post counts are really so unimportant, then why are the opponents of this reform so adamant about preserving them as is?

:confused:

"If it aint broke, don't fix it"...there is no problem with the status quo, so no need to change it...


Originally Posted by mikey1003 (Post 7544807)
Another reason to just do away with post counts^

I would have no problem doing away with post counts completely, but for me it has to be all or none...


Originally Posted by swag (Post 7544955)
I am in favor of this proposal.

I don't buy the "ain't broke, don't fix it" argument. What if the status quo were that they didn't count, and the proposal were to start counting them?

Totally irrelevant at the moment, since the status quo is the opposite of your hypothetical...however, should this motion pass, then you will get your answer when the inevitable "Bring back OMNI post count" protest threads start...its my sincere hope that TB does not pass this measure, so I hope we never have to get an answer to your hypothetical...


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 7546016)
My take is this: Omni is a necessary part of FlyerTalk. It has often been the subject of debate over the validity of its existence. It has been removed from FlyerTalk several times. It has always come back. Omni is an integral part of our community and appears to be a required organ that helps preserve the overall health of the body.

Most other IBBs have a similar forum, for similar reasons.

Omni posters contribute to the overall success of FlyerTalk as has been proven by the many years the Forum has been in existence, despite those efforts to stamp it out.

Post count is an indicator of participation in the community. That includes Omni. If some posters want to count down 20,000 times with a few of their peers, who cares?

Given that it has already been determined that Omni is a vital part of the FlyerTalk gestalt, posts made there should be counted.

As has been noted earlier in this thread, there is no "problem" to be solved here.

Well said ^

Just out of curiosity, would there be any way to set up an informal poll/vote somewhere to see what the entire population of FT thinks about this measure? From what I've read here on this thread, things seem to be fairly even, but I wonder if that same ~even proportion holds up when it comes to the community as a whole...

GUWonder Apr 7, 2007 11:41 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 7536073)
Yes, there are 652 people who are currently Omni-enabled who would have less than 180 posts if their Omni posts aren't counted.

That figure came from someone in the HOM?

cblaisd Apr 7, 2007 11:43 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 7546184)
Sorry, still waiting for my Spanish Pimsleur CDs to arrive. Going to Galapagos and Chile and need to touch up.

Sehr gut!! :D


It says that 7+ years of debate have led to a decision that Omni is an integral part of the FlyerTalk community.
Still waiting for a citation of this "decision" :)


Participate in Omni and you are participating in FlyerTalk.
Nyet.

Imo.


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