And should we not be looking for role models?

FewMiles..

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Following "logic", particularly as any one individual such as yourself may see/define it, is thankfully not a prerequisite to posting on FT!

Also, did you perhaps forget that there was much agreement, perhaps even including you, that some minor changes may well serve FT'ers well?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000079-4.html


Curiously, when will the CameraGuy "attack" horse finally be "dead?" Ever?

Just curious!

I for one, think it already is!

Just, MHO, of course!

Two different members accused me of "Attacking".

Would somebody mind pointing out said "Attacks"?

Rudi,

Thank you for your response.

I have answered the "Specific" questions. IMHO, FT is not broken. I do not see the need to change anything. Nor do I see the need to add a "General Travel" forum. FT has an entire BB for that purpose.

I did agree in one of the threads that we could try moving Miles Buzz so that it is not the first forum. I have a pretty good idea of what will happen, but I see no harm in trying.

If it seems like I am "Picking" on Punki, that's life. It is just a little irritating to see the same things posted over and over again.

You may ask, "If it's irritates you, why do you respond". That would be a fair question. Bottom line is that if nobody posts in disagreement, then certain members would point to the thread and use the lack of disagreement as some sort of "Mandate".

Camera Guy.

While I agree with you about the somewhat changed wording of this initial post subject; many people will read it as a totally different topic.

So in the spirit of Flyertalk, I'll treat Punki's post as having a different meaning than her other threads on this board (or maybe I should say bored).

So since dhammer is reading it differently, maybe you should too.
The last thing that I (or anyone) wants is for a poster to get so 'upset' by what they read that they may have a heart attack about it (God forbid).
And lord knows some posts can really get to any of us.

So what I'm trying to say is 'chill'. It's not worth it.

Dan

Dan,

Don't worry. There is no Heart Attack or Ulcer on the horizon.

Maybe some FT'ers will see this as a different topic. I see it for what it is.

As long as the "nobody disagreed, so I must be right" crowd is here, I will continue to disagree when I see fit.

IMHO, I am disagreeing without attacking. Last I heard, that was well within the guidelines of the TOS.

Sadly, CameraGuy, it is often the same "nobody disagreed, so I must be right" people who think that disagreement equates with attacking. This place would be awfully boring without differing opinions. I for one am glad to see discussion, rather than uniformity.

FewMiles..

That is honestly how I read it Dan. And I still like the BBQ PIT name. That is a positive suggestion ...... a new idea ..... and if it is adopted, some of the posts above may perhaps look pretty silly?

I really and truly think FT is very fast, very well laid out, and well run. I would not spend a lot of time here if I did not think so.

But every product on earth evolves and hopefully improves through changes and fine tuning. Flyertalk is no different. And guess who initiates most of these changes? The "customers".

We pay no fee to use this board due to the benevolence of our host. However there is no doubt whatever, despite no money changing hands that we are the "customers".

Anyone above that feels that FT has not had changes in the past year or so is not being honest with themselves. "It aint broke, dont fix it" was not it seems management's take?

There have been moderators introduced. TalkBoard was debuted, IP logging was initiated, we saw the rationalisation/amalgamation of dozens of smaller Forums and groups. New Forums like Gay/Lesbian Travel and Women's were unveiled. Smiley's went and smiley's returned. The background colour and text changed. "Evangelist" ratings etc disappeared. Flood control was amended. Randy Petersen board was suspended. And of course the splitting out of one core board into essentially TWO (or 4 to be accurate) boards. These are all pretty major changes. Some here may have forgotten all these occured? Some worked, and some IMO were miserable flops. But they occured, so FT did not stand still.

Sure FT ran for 3 of 4 years without these changes. Does that mean it needed to run forever exactly as it did in 2000? Nope. And the changes above were due to them being deemed necessary/beneficial by those who pay the piper around here. Like an airline - if it changes to something you don't like .... you can always go elsewhere.

I did not like the idea of Moderators. (Hey, BIG surprise there!) However, on balance I have to say they have worked out pretty well due to wise choices of personnel. There was one exception to that IMO, and even that exception has proven to me at least that being given another shot at the gig has seen very positively changed behaviour to that of several months back.

Many of us learn as we go along here. I sure learned quite a few things, and moderated my posting behavior. Others I locked horns with so often in the past have moderated theirs, and most I suspect would agree FT is a more civilised place to hang out due to those real efforts several folks have made. FT thus CONSTANTLY evolves due to actions of users, and via the infrastructure offered by our host.

I doubt anyone deep down would maintain that NO change ever takes place. And observing what occurs on other BB's is a fine and sensible way to see what works for others. (Such as moderators it seems.)

So I think Punki has a valid thread question here. I do acknowledge all of us are entitled to disagree with any others. Doing it so often apparently simply for the sake of it does seem overkill to me though. Especially when the original proposals do have merit.

I do know one thing. * * NO * * other FlyerTalker has had an oft used abbreviation named after them, and perhaps that definition is worth reminding others of at this juncture?

W.W.P.D.

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Instructive? Constructive? I think not!

Again, I think the intent of each of our posts herein, as our posts elsewhere, are quite abundantly clear to all!

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006620.html


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Need we all now see matters only through your eyes then? Aren't the "some" you allude too above entitled to their opinions as well?

Isn't there still room here for respectful disagreement, and for hearing concerted efforts by well intentioned members to possibly improve FT? I hope so!

In fact, in another thread, as I'd previously noted, you apparently agreed, no?

You haven't changed your mind, have you? I hope not!

I'm also glad to see the reaffirmation here that folks with differing opinions are welcome to disagree when they see fit! Thanks!

-Mark

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Charles Barkley: I ain't no role model.

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