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Punki Oct 5, 2002 1:47 am

Roll Model Boards to Consider
 
Often, when I am hanging out on the internet, I keep my eye out for ideas/information that might be useful to FlyerTalk (my favorite cyber home). Straight Dope is a very busy bulletin board which gives me interesting input on how bulletin boards work. What other interesting Bulletin Board have you seen from which we can learn?

Straight Dope started about the same time as FlyerTalk and has about twice as many total posts. It has nine segments, all of which have one, two or three moderators. Interestingly, the most popular forum on this board is called Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share, with a total of 743,063 posts, followed by General Questions, with 504,975 posts at the time of this writing.

This board, Straight Dope, can be found at http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/

A couple of interesting features of this board are that its opening forum is entitled About This Message Board and contains only 35,218 posts (a smallish number for a board of this size), and it has a BBQ Pit at the very bottom, which contains 297,272 posts.

What are some of the other Bulletin Boards you frequent, from which we can learn?

ozstamps Oct 5, 2002 2:52 am

I love the name BBQ Pit. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

A couple of other boards I visit that are NOT role (sic?) models to copy are:

www.USAviation.com (which is a mess, user wise)

and www.cruisecritic.com which has a clunky interface and is TERRIBLY slow. BUT it has far more traffic than FT, and is essentially the same deal, but for cruisers, not fliers.

Try and make a post on this VERY original thread I started there. Takes about 5 minutes to post, even for Reg'd users.

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CameraGuy Oct 5, 2002 5:20 am

IMHO, FT does not need to learn from any other board.

It is JUST FINE the way it is.

CameraGuy Oct 5, 2002 5:22 am

BTW,

How is this thread ANY different than the countless other "FT is Broken" threads that you have started?

Rudi Oct 5, 2002 6:54 am

I am glad, to have learned from Randys posts, that he indeed looks at other boards all the time, to learn and to (over-)think his FT-concept constantly.

I myself normally don't (like to) post other commercial links to a board, links that could ultimately be a kind of competition for my favorite home-board (FT). But at first sight, I don't see much of potential competition risks for FT from the boards referenced here.

The day that the advisory board members (or even worse Randy and his team at Colorado Springs, but I see little danger there) start thinking that FT couldn't improve anymore, FT would pretty sure start to decline.

Some answers to Punki really make topics started by Punki regularly look the same soon http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif



[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 10-05-2002).]

doc Oct 5, 2002 8:42 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rudi:

I am glad, to have learned from Randys posts, that he indeed looks at other boards all the time, to learn and to (over-)think his FT-concept constantly...

The day that the advisory board members (or even worse Randy and his team at Colorado Springs, but I see little danger there) start thinking that FT couldn't improve anymore, FT would pretty sure start to decline.

Some answers to Punki really make topics started by Punki regularly look the same soon http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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Absolutely! As I'd also noted previously, unless absolutely perfect, there is always room to improve! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:

AMEN!

Far too often, people are slammed here for having a minority view. IMHO, that only leads to people keeping their views to themselves. That, in turn fuels the Majority to claim that nobody disagrees.

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I do hope that we can all hear/read different points of view, respectfully expressed! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

-Mark

CameraGuy Oct 5, 2002 9:18 am

Same topic, different title.

The horse is dead.

Rudi Oct 5, 2002 9:23 am

Some answers to Punki really make topics started by Punki regularly look the same soon

CameraGuy Oct 5, 2002 9:44 am

In case anyone missed it:


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Randy Petersen:
Punki - I suggest you lose you penchant for this kind of old rhetoric in this forum - for now. The types of topics in this forum you have posted as of late make you a very easy target of a lot of members and I am finding it more and more difficult to defend you.

Bottomline - give it a rest for now.

Public comments warrant public response in this matter, and I am very sorry for it. Really very sorry.</font>
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000082.html

CameraGuy Oct 5, 2002 9:47 am

Rudi,

Since the topics do not change, just the tread titles, the replies will naturally stay the same.

Rudi Oct 5, 2002 9:59 am

In case anyone missed it: (Reading the following posts from the very same poster, I really wonder)

1) IMHO, FT does not need to learn from any other board. It is JUST FINE the way it is.

2) The horse is dead

3) Far too often, people are slammed here for having a minority view. IMHO, that only leads to people keeping their views to themselves. That, in turn fuels the Majority to claim that nobody disagrees.

I don’t think, ‘shutting down’ or ‘censoring’ Punki (or me) is (or ever will be) an easy task for any FlyerTalker (except the one legally being in the position to do so on FlyerTalk-Board: Randy (or may be, for single issues/posts FT moderators). And I am glad, to know (and have experienced), that Randy is and acts very different (more liberal) than some other posters here may think/pretend.

CameraGuy Oct 5, 2002 10:12 am

Rudi,

I am not following your logic.

The first time Punki started a "FT is Broken", There was a discussion pro/con.

At some point (Maybe not in the intitial thread) Randy weighed in, and for all intents and purposes stated that he was not going to bring a general travel forum to the FT Miles section.

Punki has started, conservativly, at least 5 more threads on the SAME subject. WHY?

So, if I follow your logic, Punki has the right to start as many threads on the same subject as she wishes, yet I do not have the right to reply?

If I am not following your logic correctly, please help me out.

Rudi Oct 5, 2002 10:53 am

Thank you for the questions.

I don't agree (never did) that FlyerTalk is broken (for me this board is getting better and better, the introduction of moderators should and hopefully will, even address better the too many flame-wars between some oldies here), nor is it perfect and shouldn't consider improvements.

Contrary to the initial posts (at least most of them that I remember) from Punki, that do address general FlyerTalk policies/issues (and not individual persons), I have the impression that you concentrate here (and in the so-called, by you, similiar threads from Punki) your arguments against her/her person/her intentions, instead of dealing with the specific details of her (different) proposals and questions.

[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 10-05-2002).]

Punki Oct 5, 2002 11:34 am

Actually, in the past five months, Punki has started exactly 3 threads that might in any way shape or form be related to the current conditions (both good and/or bad) of Flyertalk.

This thread, was a simple inquiry as to the location of the most excellent procedures which svpii had written and which were duly accepted by a vote of all then TalkBoard members (inlcuding Randy), except dhammer53 who chose to abstain. As the thread had absolutely no motive other than to find the procedures which I thought were public information, I must say that both Randy and Rudi's responses seemed very out of place to me, given the simplicity of my original post.

This thread , had it been responded to as posted and not attacked by the naysayers, could have provided information that would have proved extremely valuable to Randy, his staff, the TalkBoard and anyone else truly concerned with making FlyerTalk more user friendly. Unfortunately the thread was waylaid by people far more interested in doing battle than seeking answers. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

My initial post:


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I have been around as either a poster or a lurker almost from the beginning and have been disappointed to see the deterioration of the spirit of Flyer Talk.
Here are the things I believe about Flyer Talk.

1. Almost all of the posters here are smarter than the average bear.
2. Almost all of the posters here really care about Flyer Talk (we actually come here because we are addicted) and want to do their part to make it work. (Although, I am beginning to wonder if this is an accurate assumption)
3. Since the inception of FT Travel and random post movement there has been a lot of confusion and hurt feelings among honest, well meaning posters who just don't know where or why to post.
4. Many Flyer Talkers have expressed frustration and disappointment in the changes in Flyer Talk.
5. Many very valuable Flyer Talkers have lost interest, quit posting and/or drastically reduced their postings because of this confusion.
6. There may be some very logical (but unexplained) reason for these changes.
7. Most Flyer Talkers would love to help if they understood the logic and the goals.

Might it be possible for someone who really knows (probably Randy or a staff member) to explain the rationale for the changes, and the goals they hope to attain. I am certain that if this were made clear to all Flyer Talk members, that it would go a long way to regain the spirit of joyful cooperation that once reigned on Flyer Talk.

These are concerns that I have heard expressed by dozens of Flyer Talkers over the past year and concerns that I personally would like to see addressed (politely, of course). http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif</font>
in this thread, was intended purely to help me and others who obviously don't understand the new system, better understand where to post. Even as I read it now, it sounds very respectful and polite to me. The responses thereto seem very inconsistent with the original post.

This instant thread was intended to help us all open our eyes to different ways of doing/approaching things on a large and very busy internet bulletin board. I too believe that even very good things like FT, always have room for improvement.

There are some, however, who are apparently unable to objectively read and understand my simple, polite and noninflammatory posts, and who choose instead to interpret them through their own bias and prejudice and attack them/me apparently without taking the time to actually read or understand what I have posted.

My beloved brother (who is in all things wise and considerate) has finally been able to convince me that it is impossible to open the eyes of those who have steadfastly closed their minds and hearts. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

While I still dearly love FlyerTalk and stand ready to help improve it in anyway I can, for now I shall turn my attention to less tiresome endeavors.



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited 10-05-2002).]

FewMiles Oct 5, 2002 5:03 pm

Yes, most posters are smarter than the average bear, but there are a few more stubborn and brainless than the average paramecium.

FewMiles..

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