CaptRobPhD

As I think about the question I can only arrive at this: Travel Safety and Security really seems to be about personal protection, 'how do I', 'what should I', 'look out for' types of issues to be wary of while traveling -- they are controllables at the individual level. GE, PreCheck, Known Traveler, etc [of which I have two, not to mention "Known Crewmember" ] are simply enrollment programs administered and outside the control of the individual. Yes there are important topics, especially to the frequent flyers, over and beyond safety in a personal sense; they are as much programs of convenience for us as they are safety-related [for the government]. I absolutely think there should be a standalone page with perhaps separate sections for each program. A topic such as this should not necessarily be in the Safety/Security section; a better location would actually be under Checkpoints/Borders or alternatively, under Travel Tools.

SkiAdcock

Talkboard is considering a 3rd forum for TSS, so here's the draft for input before we go to actual formal motion:

"Creation of a Trusted Traveler forum

The TalkBoard recommends creation of a Trusted Traveler forum under the Travel Safety Security category

Title: Trusted Traveler Programs
Forum description:
Practical issues directly related to trusted traveler programs such as Global Entry, Nexus, PreCheck and others"

Cheers.

kokonutz

I'm generally in favor, but think the example list is too US-centric, and perhaps is better titled something like 'Expedited security and border crossing programs' to include all fast-track programs.

goalie

I'm in favor as well* but taking your description, I would put the "such as Global Entry, Nexus, PreCheck and others" (or something similar) at the end to make it clear as to what belongs (maybe it's overkill but why not spell it out)

*and in favor of a third top level vs sub forum as why bury things

SkiAdcock

As noted above, it is.

Cheers.

goalie

Just checking as being an OBF and all

Kagehitokiri

im assuming there is discussion in private forum of whether people will vote based on where forum is located (sub vs not)

if its not a subforum, name should include "practical" and perhaps "(not policy debate)"

non-US include for example >

Privium - netherlands
SmartGate - australia
SES (Smart Entry Service) - korea

ABTC (APEC Business Travel Card) (not available to US citizens yet) >
http://www.apec.org/about-us/about-a...avel-card.aspx

Kagehitokiri

moved

Kagehitokiri

re policy debate >

im not sure why people keep saying why bury it when two mods (one of whom is TB) were very clear on their position.

something i dont think the mods specifically said - people could be discouraged from using the new forum if it becomes filled with policy debate (the mods can only move things so fast) and newcomers (not necessarily new to FT) are not only turned off, but overwhelmed by the vitriol that is pretty much not present anywhere else on FT. many have never been exposed to it (in policy debate forum) including this member of TB (albeit newer) >
for the TB/others who say things like do it right the first time, it seems to me that could be argued here, if the potential for being overwhelmed by policy debate is there, then take that into account the first time rather than saying we will change the location of the forum if necessary. (im not necessarily a "do it right the first time" person, and am a person who is more inclined to create new forums to create demand/organization, so im not arguing it myself, just pointing this out.)

SkiAdcock

TSS is a forum. This motion would make Trusted Traveler the 3rd subforum under TSS (Practical, Trusted Traveler, Policy Debate). It is not a sub of a sub (ie, it is not a sub of Practical).

Cheers.

Kagehitokiri

i had not seen this until now >
re description - including international programs in description could lead to people finding out that their country offers one, especially if its new, or people in another country checking to see if their country has one, and finding out that it does. also, people could start threads asking about them, if they dont search the internet themselves. regardless, drives discussion and creates opportunities for FT to serve more frequent travelers.

id assume there are FTers in trial, but i guess wait until public again before considering inclusion in description.

kokonutz

Those were the three I was thinking of off the top of my head.

But what do we think of including, for example, Heathrow Arrivals and Departures Fast Track and the like?

On the private sector side there is also CLEAR, assuming it is still out there hanging on by a thread.

Kagehitokiri

hong kong airport's would count because its a program/card
http://www.gov.hk/en/residents/immig...nnel.htm#fvapc

when its not a program and its airline/fee/coupon/etc its not the same thing (airline-only vs airline partner of program)

SkiAdcock

I think we need to include enough so that it's not US-centric & so that people get the idea of the programs to be discussed, but I don't think we need to include every single one (from a space issue point of view for a forum description).

LHR arrivals/departures fast track has nothing to do w/ trusted traveler programs & is based on being booked in J/F. My guess is those conversations will take place in the airline specific forums.

Cheers.

Kagehitokiri

"Practical issues directly related to trusted traveler programs such as Global Entry, Nexus, PreCheck and others "
is 3 US

- "Discussion of practical issues directly related to programs such as Global Entry, Privium, PreCheck, SmartGate, and others"
- "Practical discussion of programs such as Global Entry, Privium, PreCheck, SmartGate, and others"
would be 2 US plus 2 non-US. i would think at least including Privium
potentially plus
- "(not policy debate)"
- "Discussion of practical (not policy) issues"
- "Practical (not policy) discussion"