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HansGolden Nov 26, 2013 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by ma91pmh (Post 21860496)
Ha ok so this is one thread with one too many "like" gags but that won't stop me stringing it along...

.... I do think FT seriously, seriously needs some way to better differentiate contributors than post count. I am frustrated by certain posted with "evangelist" status who make posts that are 100% factually incorrect. Of course I won't name names, but there are some folks here who have over 10k posts and will come into a discussion and make a statement as if it's complete fact and I just know it's wrong. I need a way to thumbs down these people, and people need to be able to thumbs up the people who make genuinely useful contributions. I don't think "liking" individual posts does anything to fix that unless likes gets linked to some overall score but I think something along the lines of SlickDeals rep system could be very helpful here to distinguish those who just post endless junk.

+1

nsx Nov 26, 2013 6:36 pm

Some sort of post rating functionality has been needed for a long, long time. The typical response is that it was tried once and failed due to gaming, or that vBulletin doesn't support a different form of rating.

I think it's past time to assemble our wish list of what this feature should look like, then just ask IB to implement it. They've been really great at accommodating our reasonable requests recently.

I'd like to see our new TalkBoard grab this subject and run with it.

ma91pmh Nov 27, 2013 6:47 am

Glad to see some agreement on my suggestions. In fact if we go back to the long and painful process of getting wiki's implemented one can come to the same conclusion each time - SlickDeals and FatWallet already have the right model so why reinvent the wheel? Both those sites have all the features we discuss here and are all the better for it (a rep system in this instance - I think SD has a much better system than FW in this instance, they both had wiki's long before FT gave up much of that content to blogs)

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nsx Sep 9, 2014 10:02 pm

With the recent addition of the "Breaking News" alert button at the bottom of each post, I figure that Internet Brands has once again shown us that new features can be implemented if the desire is there. So I would like to reopen the "Like" topic for discussion.


Originally Posted by Football Fan (Post 21395257)
This would be a great feature. Could also call it "Thanks" feature (instead of "Like"). It would actually save a lot of posts, and it would be a good way to reward especially useful posts. German website http://www.vielfliegertreff.de has this system, and I have found it really, really useful. It's a friendly, positive feature with practically no potential for abuse.


Originally Posted by HansGolden (Post 21448765)
+1

I think the place that it brings the most outsized value is when there are contradictory posts. It can be made clear to newbies or to those who don't know the answer, which of the contradictory posts is correct.

But in general, I just like positive feedback. I think it incentivizes quality content. If I receive 10 Likes for a post, it makes me more likely to take the time to contribute quality content in the future. It's just human nature that we like having our efforts appreciated. And appreciated in a way that doesn't sidetrack and clutter the thread.

I think a "Thanks" button or similar indicator of the value of a post (whether information or amusement) would improve the reading experience on FlyerTalk.

Ideally the forum software would allow filtering on the up-rating count, so that the "Thanks" button would be in effect a "Be sure to read this post" button. Even without software filtering, people who are pressed for time could learn to visually skim a thread for highly rated posts to read.

This feature is worth at least as much as the recent News button. With a little more programming it even has the potential to identify valuable posts that are somehow not flagged as Breaking News by readers.

Folks, we have kicked this idea around ineffectually for close to a decade. That's an eternity in Internet time.

I'm all in favor of taking some time to refine the idea and get IB's advice on implementation constraints, but then:

Let's get off our butts and actually try something!

SkiAdcock Sep 9, 2014 10:26 pm

Oh good grief. You make it sound as though FTers have been clamoring for this for a decade when FB barely got started back then.

The other - and quite frankly more important thing - is that FTers themselves are split pretty evenly on whether they want like, so your red comment doesn't really apply. We encountered that with the titles issue. A fter saying do something when each time the topic was brought up FTers were equally split on whether they wanted it or not, and that's how the vote went.

As a TB member I'm willing to keep an open mind. As a fter I'm against like for the reasons I outlined earlier in this thread. Besides not wanting to read a gazillion like a one person saying a post has value or is correct doesn't' t make it so.

Ps -the news button is a trial at this point and only available to mods and a few long time FTers and TB members. Because of that I'm quite surprised you'd bring it up publicly. For others who Don't fit into the category of FTers currently granted access for the trial bit are now wondering why it is, it's basically a button that allows you to alert IB to a thread that you think is newsworthy and should be considered for news on FT' s home page. It's made clear it should be something newsworthy. Right now there are hiccups such as where it's positioned, etc, and there may be changes etc, so nsx basically jumped the boat by bringing it up.

Cheers

nsx Sep 9, 2014 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502564)
Oh good grief. You make it sound as though FTers have been clamoring for this for a decade when FB barely got started back then.

The other - and quite frankly more important thing - is that FTers themselves are split pretty evenly on whether they want like, so your red comment doesn't really apply. We encountered that with the titles issue. A fter saying do something when each time the topic was brought up FTers were equally split on whether they wanted it or not, and that's how the vote went.

As a TB member I'm willing to keep an open mind. As a fter I'm against like for the reasons I outlined earlier in this thread. Besides not wanting to read a gazillion like a one person saying a post has value or is correct doesn't' t make it so.

Ps -the news button is a trial and only available to mods and some long time FTers and TB members. Because of that I'm quite surprised you'd bring it up publicly.

Cheers

Working backwards:

That's what I get for speed reading. I didn't realize the News button was limited. My point was that IB can implement what TB asks for, within reason.

The Thanks feature would just show a count and possibly a truncated list of members taking less than a full line of screen in small font. That's the cost of the feature. The benefit to readers is faster skimming and for evaluating the credibility of the information. A speculative benefit is more high-value posts. IMHO the benefits outweigh the cost, making this feature worth the effort to try out.

The TB had no problem ending the first experiment (long ago) when it failed. We should do a better job designing a feature and then see how it works.

SkiAdcock Sep 9, 2014 11:07 pm


Originally Posted by nsx (Post 23502617)

The benefit to readers is faster skimming and for evaluating the credibility of the information.

And there's the problem. Just because someone says like or thanks doesn't' t make a post credible. The information could be wrong and you could still get likes and thanks. I've seen that on other BBs and just shake my head. And what if you have 2posts that contradict each other but both get likes/thanks.

Also TB neither implemented nor killed the rating feature years ago. Randy did.

Evidently Ib has been working on news concept for a while and not in response to a TB request.

Speaking only for myself I'd much rather they put their efforts into a decent mobile app given how many people now access websites, bbs that way, vs doing news or like. Having a decent mobile app would benefit more of our 500,000 members than news or like.

Ok I'm off to bed for the night.

Cheers.

nsx Sep 10, 2014 1:23 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502670)
Speaking only for myself I'd much rather they put their efforts into a decent mobile app given how many people now access websites, bbs that way,

+1

Now if I only had a Thanks button for that post! ;)

jackal Sep 10, 2014 4:24 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502670)
And there's the problem. Just because someone says like or thanks doesn't' t make a post credible. The information could be wrong and you could still get likes and thanks. I've seen that on other BBs and just shake my head. And what if you have 2posts that contradict each other but both get likes/thanks.

How about the Yelp review model?

Below every Yelp review, there are three buttons:

Was this review …?

Useful / Funny / Cool

On FlyerTalk, perhaps one of them could be labeled "Accurate"?

ma91pmh Sep 10, 2014 5:47 am

The Like/ThumbsUp button works for some other small social interaction sites like say... Facebook. Oh and it works very well on what I think is the by far superior (at least technically if not on content) SlickDeals.

Yes FT needs an app too.

oliver2002 Sep 10, 2014 6:01 am

Over at VFT I give and get 'Danke' all the time:

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/853/9641932957.jpg
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Don't ask me what benefit it has though. :p

SkiAdcock Sep 10, 2014 10:24 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502670)
Speaking only for myself I'd much rather they put their efforts into a decent mobile app given how many people now access websites, bbs that way, vs doing news or like. Having a decent mobile app would benefit more of our 500,000 members than news or like.

Cheers.


Originally Posted by nsx (Post 23502987)
+1

Now if I only had a Thanks button for that post! ;)

:D :D

lin821 Sep 10, 2014 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by nsx (Post 23502501)
With the recent addition of the "Breaking News" alert button at the bottom of each post,

Where is the button for this new addition? :confused:


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502564)
Ps -the news button is a trial at this point and only available to mods and a few long time FTers and TB members. Because of that I'm quite surprised you'd bring it up publicly. For others who Don't fit into the category of FTers currently granted access for the trial bit are now wondering why it is, it's basically a button that allows you to alert IB to a thread that you think is newsworthy and should be considered for news on FT' s home page.

Thanks for the answer, Sharon! :)


Originally Posted by nsx (Post 23502617)
My point was that IB can implement what TB asks for, within reason.


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502670)
Evidently Ib has been working on news concept for a while and not in response to a TB request.

The reality is IB implements what IB wants, whether within reason/TB requests or not.

The sad truth is certain improvement, such as FT Premium and some functional mobile apps, has long been put on hold or ignored by IB. :(


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502670)
I'd much rather they put their efforts into a decent mobile app given how many people now access websites, bbs that way, vs doing news or like. Having a decent mobile app would benefit more of our 500,000 members than news or like.

Amen!

malik2630 Oct 2, 2014 6:17 am

I agree even if there is a like button, so it's not going to eliminate a perceived problem.

ozstamps Oct 9, 2014 9:07 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 23502670)

Also TB neither implemented nor killed the rating feature years ago. Randy did.

Correct and a VERY wise decision he made. @:-)

He kicked a lot of heads in the process for being jackasses, and abusing it terribly, and as many of those same souls are still active here today, have no doubt history would repeat itself here.

No-one here or on TB in a majority wants avatars, or even agreed on changing the 16 year old member descriptors past the totally lame "Evangelist" etc - and that is where FT heads are at. "Lets keep things just like they were in 1998 ... no harm there - that nice Bill Clinton fellow will do ME just dandy for President, have a nice day."

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