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SkiAdcock Sep 4, 2013 9:38 am


Originally Posted by jackal (Post 21387127)
For the life of me, I cannot figure out why 40 posts per page, in the year 2013, isn't the default (at least for new members).

Maybe I should make a TalkBoard motion to change that. ;)

Or just ask IB to implement it ;) I can't imagine why anyone would want to go through more pages. But that's a separate topic.

I was thinking today when I posted :D :D after a post if that counted as a +1 or a 'like' :D

Cheers.

Football Fan Sep 5, 2013 3:53 pm

This would be a great feature. Could also call it "Thanks" feature (instead of "Like"). It would actually save a lot of posts, and it would be a good way to reward especially useful posts. German website http://www.vielfliegertreff.de has this system, and I have found it really, really useful. It's a friendly, positive feature with practically no potential for abuse.

Sarfa33 Sep 5, 2013 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by Football Fan (Post 21395257)
This would be a great feature. Could also call it "Thanks" feature (instead of "Like"). It would actually save a lot of posts, and it would be a good way to reward especially useful posts. German website http://www.vielfliegertreff.de has this system, and I have found it really, really useful. It's a friendly, positive feature with practically no potential for abuse.

I like the idea of having it be "Thanks" instead of "Like". ^

-S

mirror74 Sep 7, 2013 4:52 am


Originally Posted by Sarfa33 (Post 21395515)
I like the idea of having it be "Thanks" instead of "Like". ^

-S

Me too... :cool:

T8191 Sep 7, 2013 6:54 am

I support the "like" option, which is used on all the other forums I visit. A simple indicTion of agreement and/or appreciation. Quick and easy.

I deplore the "+1" posts, which not only clutter the threads but also indicate, on the forum index, a "new post" ... which on subsequent inspection says nothing new. That's a waste of my time!

RSSrsvp Sep 7, 2013 8:12 am


Originally Posted by T8191 (Post 21403395)
I support the "like" option, which is used on all the other forums I visit. A simple indicTion of agreement and/or appreciation. Quick and easy.

I deplore the "+1" posts, which not only clutter the threads but also indicate, on the forum index, a "new post" ... which on subsequent inspection says nothing new. That's a waste of my time!

I totally agree with your assessment. There is nothing wrong with using a "like" button displaying a truncated "like" list and it will eliminate all of the +1 posts by implementing this feature.

IMHO, using "Thanks" instead of "like" is simply a matter of personal taste and there is nothing wrong with the description "like".

:D! Sep 7, 2013 6:28 pm


Originally Posted by mirror74 (Post 21403125)

Originally Posted by Sarfa33 (Post 21395515)
I like the idea of having it be "Thanks" instead of "Like". ^

Me too... :cool:

Me three. For example, this is how it would look with a similar vbulletin theme to FT:

http://i.imgur.com/oBJeiYt.png

outjet Sep 8, 2013 8:32 pm

Yes, Yes, Yes! I love these features on other community sites, and it would be a great add to FlyerTalk. (Likes, thanks, either way)

goalie Sep 9, 2013 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21284045)

Originally Posted by wharvey (Post 21283667)
I would actually find this very distracting and busy.... I honestly want to read the posts for content.... not who else liked it. And it will take up valuable screen space!

Speaking as a regular FTer & not as TB member, I agree (especially if someone posts something that everyone likes - the list of those liking could be longer than the post :D).

Cheers.

And I agree with this as well


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21288905)
FWIW & IMO - some people will still post +1 or I agree even if there is a like button, so it's not going to eliminate a perceived problem.

Cheers.

Yup!



Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 21337061)

Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 21335181)
I see a big difference between like & +1

Like = you appreciate or value the post

+1 = you agree with the post, as in you have experience or knowledge with this issue & agree with the post

The two are very different.

I would also see the I-Like-That-Poster mentality & clicking like regardless if the post is of any real value.
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:like: and +1

:D

:like: and +1 (redux)

HansGolden Sep 15, 2013 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by Sarfa33 (Post 21339588)
Two thoughts here based on my experience with this feature on other boards.

1) The semantic difference between "Like" and "+1" is not reflected in how people actually use the "Like" feature -- people use the button to express agreement with the content of the post.
2) I have not seen the "Like" feature become a popularity contest -- people are generally pretty good about using the feature to highlight the content rather than the poster.

If the wording of the feature could be changed to be "+1" instead of "Like", would that change people's opinions?

-S

+1

I think the place that it brings the most outsized value is when there are contradictory posts. It can be made clear to newbies or to those who don't know the answer, which of the contradictory posts is correct.

But in general, I just like positive feedback. I think it incentivizes quality content. If I receive 10 Likes for a post, it makes me more likely to take the time to contribute quality content in the future. It's just human nature that we like having our efforts appreciated. And appreciated in a way that doesn't sidetrack and clutter the thread.

SkiAdcock Sep 16, 2013 2:44 am


Originally Posted by HansGolden (Post 21448765)
+1

1. I think the place that it brings the most outsized value is when there are contradictory posts. It can be made clear to newbies or to those who don't know the answer, which of the contradictory posts is correct.

2. But in general, I just like positive feedback. I think it incentivizes quality content. If I receive 10 Likes for a post, it makes me more likely to take the time to contribute quality content in the future. It's just human nature that we like having our efforts appreciated. And appreciated in a way that doesn't sidetrack and clutter the thread.

1. So what if you get likes on both contradictory posts? How is someone supposed to determine which of the 2 is correct? ;) I can think of reasons for like, but trying to determine which is correct isn't amongst them.

2. I'm a bit confused on how +1 doesn't also provide positive feedback. :confused: And I really don't get how +1s 'clutter' a thread. I actually find the post screenshots above w/ Likes & names listed under a post more distracting/taking up real estate than simple scrolling quickly down a thread w/ some +1s. Of course I also hate avatar wildness, which MP has & so far we haven't - having to get past everyone's avatar for every program they belong to when reading a post is a PITA.

Like koko, I'm not set in stone either way on this one. As he mentioned & I agree with, what someone has written is what determines value to me (or not), not whether what someone has written has a gazillion likes or +1s after it. Also I've never depended on someone posting a like or +1 to validate my post/thought or determine if I'm going to continue to contribute to FT, but that's just me.

Cheers.

HansGolden Sep 16, 2013 9:56 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21451527)
1. So what if you get likes on both contradictory posts? How is someone supposed to determine which of the 2 is correct? ;) I can think of reasons for like, but trying to determine which is correct isn't amongst them.

Whichever has the most likes.


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21451527)
2. I'm a bit confused on how +1 doesn't also provide positive feedback. :confused:

It does, but I rarely do it because it clutters threads.


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21451527)
And I really don't get how +1s 'clutter' a thread. I actually find the post screenshots above w/ Likes & names listed under a post more distracting/taking up real estate than simple scrolling quickly down a thread w/ some +1s.

Empirically all the likes (which I've seen range into the hundreds on "post of the year" quality posts) take up 1/2 inch of vertical space max.

OTOH, each individual +1 takes up a minimum of 1.5 inches of vertical space.

(And 1.5 inches is without quoting, which can lead to confusion with intervening posts. If the full quote is quoted, it can take more than 1.5 inches. Or a [snip] quote can be created keeping it at 1.5 inches, but that takes even more time on the part of the +1'er, providing even more disincentive.)

The bottom line for me is that the positive feedback via a like mechanism is:
  1. Easier to do than +1, thus likely to be utilized more often (good for positive feedback)
  2. Empirically takes far less space, thus creates less clutter (good for readability)
  3. Is more likely to be used because it doesn't create clutter (good for positive feedback)
  4. More positive feedback results in more quality content

SkiAdcock Sep 17, 2013 2:49 am


Originally Posted by HansGolden (Post 21453251)
Whichever has the most likes.

The bottom line for me is that the positive feedback via a like mechanism is:
  1. Easier to do than +1, thus likely to be utilized more often (good for positive feedback)
  2. Empirically takes far less space, thus creates less clutter (good for readability)
  3. Is more likely to be used because it doesn't create clutter (good for positive feedback)
  4. More positive feedback results in more quality content

I might buy into everything you've mentioned, except I disagree that whichever response has the most likes means it's a correct answer. It could be wrong & if you have folk who don't know any better they'd like it blindly. I actually saw that happen in MP a few times (people posting entirely wrong information & people liking the posts :rolleyes:), which is one reason I don't really pay much attention to like.

I'm not set in stone one way or the other on this issue. But I think like supporters are being naive if they think having like will eliminate plus +1s entirely. ;) :p :D

Cheers.

jackal Sep 17, 2013 3:12 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21457930)
I might buy into everything you've mentioned, except I disagree that whichever response has the most likes means it's a correct answer. It could be wrong & if you have folk who don't know any better they'd like it blindly. I actually saw that happen in MP a few times (people posting entirely wrong information & people liking the posts :rolleyes:), which is one reason I don't really pay much attention to like.

I'm not set in stone one way or the other on this issue. But I think like supporters are being naive if they think having like will eliminate plus +1s entirely. ;) :p :D

Cheers.

I would "like" your post. I wouldn't "+1" it. :)

Or, on a more serious note, "like" means I think your comment adds value to the discussion, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. "+1" signifies agreement. They are different.

Getting many of my posts "liked" has certainly made me feel good about posting on MilePoint, which in turn incentivized me to post more good information.

Of course, it would be even more motivation--and motivation to visit there more often, as it's been awhile since I've been over there--if I could actually do something with the status points generated by likes, like convert them to miles or something. :p

HansGolden Sep 17, 2013 7:09 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 21457930)
I might buy into everything you've mentioned, except I disagree that whichever response has the most likes means it's a correct answer. It could be wrong & if you have folk who don't know any better they'd like it blindly. I actually saw that happen in MP a few times (people posting entirely wrong information & people liking the posts :rolleyes:), which is one reason I don't really pay much attention to like.

I'm not set in stone one way or the other on this issue. But I think like supporters are being naive if they think having like will eliminate plus +1s entirely. ;) :p :D

Cheers.

Both of those arguments have the same underlying idea: because it won't fix every problem perfectly, therefore it shouldn't be done. That's not a line of thinking that's very persuasive with me.


Originally Posted by jackal (Post 21457984)
Or, on a more serious note, "like" means I think your comment adds value to the discussion, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. "+1" signifies agreement. They are different.

Well, if there's interest in this, we should definitely discuss the term we'd end up using, because different terms do mean different things to different people. If we wanted to get really sophisticated, we could do it BuzzFeed style:
http://i.imgur.com/bRITI30.png

Of course, given the keywords BuzzFeed uses, sophisticated is probably not the right term. :rolleyes:

Obviously the keywords would have to be radically different and carefully thought through. However, things like: correct, incorrect, cool, funny, etc could work. (I took two seconds to think of those; obviously the community could do better.)

If we wanted to go even more free form, people could just type a single word tag into a box. It would then appear under the post. People could click on the word to add their vote to that word as descriptive of the post. I understand the potential for abuse, but I think the same ToS would simply apply. Just because it's one-word communication doesn't change the fact that it's words and the ToS governs.

I'm not proposing the latter two ideas, just throwing them out as brainstorms.


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