nsx

Although, FWIW, an explicit absention counts exactly the same as not voting. Until a couple years ago, an explicit abstention had the same effect as a No vote.

goalie

Thank you ^

lwildernorva

I nominate William Golding as the patron saint of the mods for the new forum.

lin821

Is one patron saint enough?

seanthepilot

Enough with the scare tactics from the peanut gallery. If you don't agree, just stay clear.

I like that FT will take a look and tries to evolve.

Now, if we're tougher on this forum than we are in the others, it says something wrong about how we run the others. If things go ballistic in the new forum, it's the fault of FT and how we've already allowed nastiness to settle in, in all areas of FT, not the fault of the TB for creating it, and certainly not whoever will be the new mod(s). I personally think that mods should be reassigned regularly and that this would be a perfect forum for a longtime mod to lay their hat.

DeaconFlyer

Oh, now you are for restricting conversation? How convenient.

nsx

My guess is that the new forum will initially have more than its share of posters who enjoy irritating their readers. IMHO that sort of behavior does not belong on FT, except that it may be tolerated in the free-fire zone of OMNI/PR. Call that restricting conversation if you will. I call it restricting disruption, and it's done mostly by teaching members how to post well.

A good post to FT should be informative, useful, or funny. Too many disruptive posters grossly overestimate how funny their posts are. My personal rule of thumb is that if you are going to post something that would otherwise be disruptive, it needs to be laugh out loud funny. If the target of your humor nevertheless laughs at it, you have a winner.

SkiAdcock

I think you misinterpreted DeaconFlyer's post. He was responding to seanthepilot who basically told folk that if they didn't like it to not go there (and called those FTers the peanut gallery besides ), which implied they couldn't participate in conversations re: the forum or participate in it.

Based on mia's post on what they've already had to deal w/ re: posts re: the bloggers, I'd say those have gone beyond what is found in other forums, even some that are snarky. So I don't agree w/ sean that they're going to be tougher than other forums, but that they have experience that shows some FTers go beyond TOS & one thread they've dealt with has shown vile behavior/posts. I'd be very surprised if sean approved of FTers attacking a blogger's sexuality vs. the content of the blog.

While I voted no against this forum, now that it has been approved I hope it goes well & I know the CommunityDirector & others are working to expand the remit a bit to make it a more valuable resource. And it might be a bit wild west in the beginning, but I have hope that things will settle down as time goes on.

Your post is re: what you'd like to see FT posts be in general, which of course is something to strive for but which we know in reality is not always the case.

Cheers.

kokonutz

I like to assume the best of our fellow FlyerTalkers.

I understand there is a lot of concern about possible-terribles in the new forum, but really, let's give our fellow posters the benefit of the doubt. ^

JDiver

Gentle members: We definitely have differing perspectives and those is always welcome here, where TalkBoard's work is discussed and recommendations pro and con are made. Overly personalized remarks that verge on, or are, personal attacks against members are over the line of this forum and have been / will be deleted (as well as replies to the same).

Thank you for remembering civility is called for. /Moderator

seanthepilot

Sorry DeaconFlyer, I did mean that if it's not a forum that a person would appreciate, then that person may be best to spend less if their time there, perhaps choosing to visit ones they do enjoy instead.

I am the last person who wants to restrict DISCUSSION.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.

HansGolden

I owe everyone an apology for not voting. I had a significant life event over that time and simply missed the vote. However, it did work out well because after carefully studying the issue, I would have abstained. I don't really like either option. I'm no fan of blog bashing, which feels like the impetus behind this. However, I do understand that there needs to be a place to discuss blogs because they are a very significant part of our community. If we can find moderators that are willing to daily walk what's going to be a very tough line of allowing freedom to point out flaws (which is important) without letting things descend into mud-slinging silliness, then bravo to those brave souls. Hopefully the new forum will blossom into a good resource for actually singling out the blogs that provide the best info rather than focusing on the negative.

Best of luck to the mods and CD as they try to implement this.

jaymar01

Yea. Right

HansGolden

I was at first appalled by Travel Blogger Buzz's seeming lack of logic or sense of context in its blogger bashing. However, once the blog author got it out of his system, the blog gave a much more measured and helpful assessment of the blogosphere. Much of the blogger bashing is very emotional without logic--I think it must be jealousy of profits masquerading as righteous indignation--and thus if people are given free rein to vent (good luck to the mods figuring that one out!), hopefully they'll follow TBB's pattern and get it out of their system, calm down, and be more measured in their assessments.

Also relevant is that the Streisand Effect has shown us that censoring stuff--no matter how outlandish and invalid--helps that same material actually gather steam rather than slowing it down.

Yes, I'm nervous that all the hard things can be worked out, but I'm cautiously hopeful as well.

Kagehitokiri

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/exter...resources-723/ http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/exter...l#post20603649

forum is up and includes >

english discussion here of foreign language content elsewhere would be pretty useful