I would certainly support your efforts at re-ordering the forums. Perhaps ordering them under parent geographic areas ordering them in an alphabetic order Continent-Country-City ? Or does this fubar the parent/child relationship of the software?

It used to be listed in Asia, but then some Americans didn't think it was in Asia, so it got moved out to a place people don't think to look. This decision rather perplexed the Europeans, but according to the world of FT, the ME is not in Asia.

Americans are notorious for being geographically challenged.

but then please include the european rail travel forum into this ...

And why is Turkey, applicant to the EU, and Azerbaijan, host of the EuroVision Song Contest 2012, in the Middle East according to FT'ers?

Thanks for all your thoughts. I set up 3 subforums today:

Asia

South America

Europe

I hope that this meets some of the concerns above. I also hope that it gently guides members to the proper regional forum. We get a lot of misposted threads, particularly in the Asia forum when the post would get better attention in Thailand or Japan (for example).

Feedback continues to be welcome.

^^ This is looking MUCH more organized and is how I have always envisioned it should be!

I was annoyed to log in today and find that The U.K. and Ireland Travel & Dining forum is now buried as a sub-forum under Europe. This makes it more difficult to find, and takes longer to access as I have to click through an additional layer of forums.

If it's a general FT policy to do this, to keep the forum lists shorter, then I understand ... I can see there are pros and cons to both approaches.

However, why does the United States still gets to keep separate top-level forums for it's various regions? Is this an example of bias against Europe on Flyertalk?

To put this another way, we now have:

Travel&Dining: Destination >> United States

vs:

Travel&Dining: Destination >> The World > Europe

This means that the various sub-forums under Europe are buried in an additional layer of clicks. Why shouldn't Europe be at the same level as the United States?

See this existing thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...s-ordered.html

Particularly post#21 from yesterday:

It's not the order of the forums that bothers me, its the fact that the various forums under Europe are now buried so deeply that they are hard to find.

"Europe" should be at the same level as "United States", not under "The World".

Are you using MyFlyerTalk? You can "subscribe" to any forums you look at frequently (e.g. UK/Ireland) and it only takes one click to get there - if you aren't (yet), you might want to take a look. Here's more info - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/2708893-post3.html

Edit to add: I'm not sure how it takes one further click to get to UK/Ireland than it did before. When I click on "Travel&Dining: Destination >> The World", I get a full listing of all forums and sub-forums and can click to UK/Ireland from there. Is that not the case with yours?

Previously, the forums that are now hidden under "Europe" were directly accessible from the main "Travel & Dining" link. Now, you have to click through on "Europe" or "The World" before those forums are revealed.

The various "United States" sub-forums are still directly accessible, as are the forums which are directly under "The World".

I think "Europe" should be moved so that it has the same level of visibility as "United States".

That's the direct effect from the 3 subfora our Community Director created the day before. See my post#2.

Same thing happened to Asia Forum that I frequent. I didn't get to see the other "sub"fora (China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand...etc) when I arrived at Asia Forum. But now those subfora are at the top of Asia Forum.

How fora are ordered has everything to do with the forum structure, the issue you just raised. It was weird to see the following when I click on the new link to "Europe Forum":

I don't know what's wrong with the setup for Europe Forum. At least when I visit Asia Forum now, every thread is still listed under the newly "squeezed" in subfora (at the top).

ETA:
I agree with you that Europe should be at least at the same level as United States. Geographically or "continentally" speaking, "United States" is smaller than "North America." Should "United States" get higher ranked forum position just because IB is a US-based company? Some standardization of fora categories based on world geography will be a much more welcome revision, IMHO.

FWIW, I do think this is all related and should be part of the existing thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...s-ordered.html

While I don't disagree with you, I think all of the different broad categories could have a vocal member campaigning for the same thing (except maybe Antarctica ). Since FT and its parent company Internet Brands are based in the US, my guess is that's the reason the US gets "special treatment" (which IMO isn't special treatment). I don't have specific figures to back it up, but my hunch is that intra-US travel is more popular for US citizens than international travel.

Either using MyFlyerTalk as posted previously or clicking directly on "The World" on the forums homepage (instead of clicking on "Travel and Dining") would solve your problem.

As members have "AMPed and there seems to be some agreement the issues are related, and no disruption has been caused to the stream of discussion, the "U.K. and Ireland: Now a sub-forum under Europe?" thread has been merged here for member and Community Director topic continuity. /Moderator