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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
But that's a private conversation. From a moderator's side, they get various independent points of input. But there is no collaboration. And from the poster side we have no idea if any other members share our issues/concerns/suggestions or have different ways of looking at them, thinking about them or addressing them.

It's the difference between a letter to the editor and a comment section in an online story. One gets your point across. The other adds to a conversation. And since this is FlyerTALK, not FlyerSENDEACHOTHERPMS it seems like this collaborative conversation ought to be the norm.
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
But that's a private conversation.
Of course. Still doesn't mean it's not collaborative. Not all members feel comfortable posting publicly, especially when they're not sure how their fellow members will react.

You keep suggesting that we look at things from a regular member's POV. We do, and guess what? Sometimes they suggest great ideas that we've never thought of, cf. forum glossaries, Nude-o-Scope sticky, lounge threads, etc. Sometimes PMs confirm ideas we've already thought of, such as a forum split. That's collaboration in its most fundamental form. I would bargain most forums already function in this manner. It's a bit rich to suggest some forms of collaboration are better than others or some are wrong because they don't meet your standard of discourse. Not every one is as confident in communication as you or I, koko.


For the record, I think the essential suggestion in the OP has merit. I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.

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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 10:53 pm
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Originally Posted by essxjay
I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.
In the end, that's up to Carol. We can only make the recommendation.
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
But that's a private conversation. From a moderator's side, they get various independent points of input. But there is no collaboration. And from the poster side we have no idea if any other members share our issues/concerns/suggestions or have different ways of looking at them, thinking about them or addressing them.
One poster may have a great suggestion for a forum or a solution to mega-threading or some such, but if they don't know that it's a problem or complaint for others, they may not bother to share their idea, thinking that it's a problem unique to them.
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Of course. Still doesn't mean it's not collaborative. Not all members feel comfortable posting publicly, especially when they're not sure how their fellow members will react.

You keep suggesting that we look at things from a regular member's POV. We do, and guess what? Sometimes they suggest great ideas that we've never thought of, cf. forum glossaries, Nude-o-Scope sticky, lounge threads, etc. Sometimes PMs confirm ideas we've already thought of, such as a forum split. That's collaboration in its most fundamental form. I would bargain most forums already function in this manner. It's a bit rich to suggest some forms of collaboration are better than others or some are wrong because they don't meet your standard of discourse. Not every one is as confident in communication as you or I, koko.


For the record, I think the essential suggestion in the OP has merit. I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.
If something like what koko has proposed is implemented, and members don't feel comfortable posting in that thread, they still have the option of sending a PM to the moderator. A thread is simply giving them an additional outlet to communicate and share ideas, and allow for greater collaboration. This may lead to greater improvements.

If a member isn't comfortable posting in a thread, and would prefer to PM a moderator, perhaps the moderator can ask the member, "Can I share your idea in the moderation thread? If you'd prefer, I won't share your user name, but will post that a member suggested XYZ."
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In the end, that's up to Carol. We can only make the recommendation.
I don't see a problem with at least making the recommendation.
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by kipper
I don't see a problem with at least making the recommendation.
In case you aren't sure, I agree completely. The phrase "not in my purview" simply won't come from my mouth or keyboard (unless I'm quoting it) the next two years. Carol is always free to discard any comment or suggestion I make, but it's not going to change how I go about things.
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 7:07 am
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Kudos to TalkBoard member nsx for deciding to run a beta test of this idea in the forum he moderates, Southwest Rapid Rewards!

So far, very early on, looks like it is improving the FlyerTalk experience for that forum's posters.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/south...ion-forum.html
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay
For the record, I think the essential suggestion in the OP has merit.
Thanks!

I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.
I reject such bureaucratic silo management not-built-here thinking. An idea to improve the FT experience is an idea to improve the FT experience. ^

And in any case, this suggestion is simply an amendment to the TOS....something well within even the most narrow interpretation of 'the purview of the TB.'
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by kipper
If something like what koko has proposed is implemented, and members don't feel comfortable posting in that thread, they still have the option of sending a PM to the moderator.
Which, of course, is exactly what I proposed upthread. Glad to see we've finally reached an agreement!
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
And in any case, this suggestion is simply an amendment to the TOS....something well within even the most narrow interpretation of 'the purview of the TB.'
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 8:06 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay
Which, of course, is exactly what I proposed upthread. Glad to see we've finally reached an agreement!
So, you're saying that you agree that members should at least have the option of posting on a thread about forum moderation? Great!
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by kipper
So, you're saying that you agree that members should at least have the option of posting on a thread about forum moderation?
That would be taking liberties with my words and meaning.
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 8:18 am
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
Kudos to TalkBoard member nsx for deciding to run a beta test of this idea in the forum he moderates, Southwest Rapid Rewards!

So far, very early on, looks like it is improving the FlyerTalk experience for that forum's posters.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/south...ion-forum.html
It does look good. Just having that thread there, for people to comment on, looks like a really good idea.
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay
That would be taking liberties with my words and meaning.
Only doing what has been done with mine.
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Old Dec 14, 2011 | 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
Kudos to TalkBoard member nsx for deciding to run a beta test of this idea in the forum he moderates, Southwest Rapid Rewards!

So far, very early on, looks like it is improving the FlyerTalk experience for that forum's posters.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/south...ion-forum.html
Just to prove that I too think that feedback of any kind is warranted, I have blatantly copied nsx's idea and posted in the EK forum...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/emira...ion-forum.html
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Old Dec 14, 2011 | 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by eightblack
Just to prove that I too think that feedback of any kind is warranted, I have blatantly copied nsx's idea and posted in the EK forum...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/emira...ion-forum.html
Well done! With faith in the posters, I have no doubt but that it will be appreciated, helpful and improve the FT experience!
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