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netsurferrr Mar 5, 2019 5:53 am


Originally Posted by MichielR (Post 30849952)


Your “expose” is full of terms such as ‘coward’ and ‘despicable’ and in this second thread you use derogatory racial stereotypes. I call that a rant, or worse.

Your rant describes what you want various authorities to do. Good luck with that. FlyerTalk is no such authority and I am therefore now signing off on this and any other thread you may be allowed to open.







What is not so despicable about Swiss feeding lie to the Hong Kong Consumer Council and begging the council not to forward the lie to me? Making up a lie and then begging the third party not to forward the lie are NOT cowardly behaviors?

Of course the multiple lies the lounge manager made up are despicable. He lied about he was concerned about my well-being, yea right, and then he fudged another lie about he was afraid of losing the local food and beverage license because of my "discomfort" he was supposedly very concerned about.

The "types" I have referenced to are not "stereotypes." They are the ineffective and obstructive customer service experiences many around the world have received from certain nationalities and talked about.

That's worse. The lounge manager lied to the other parties that I escaped from / ran out of the lounge.

Do you realize that you are actually ranting?

Nick Art Mar 5, 2019 5:57 am

“reasonable fun with food and alcohol”
”vomited due to alcohol”

You were deemed unfit to fly (reasonably so from your story). Got rebooked to the next day. You are not due anything and your self important racist and really plain annoying behavior (including the usage of swear words and other atrocities) will not make things any better for you nor make you appear very sympathetic.

Has it ever occured to you that you may be wrong?

Learn and grow from this and move on.



PS: Can we please have this thread closed?



ajeleonard Mar 5, 2019 6:05 am

These type of threads tend to pop up on Flyertalk every so often. Someone has worked themselves up into a frenzy of self-righteousness and a persecution fantasy based on an incident which is usually objectively largely their own fault.

In the process of recounting their 'experience' they usually reveal certain unpleasant personality characteristics (e.g. racial or other prejudices) which give an insight into how they got themselves into their situation in the first place.

Then naturally they will lash out at anyone who questions or challenges their position, and generally fails to reinforce their own sense of victim hood. Capitalization and/or excessive use of exclamation marks is used to emphasize their combative approach.

The real takeaway for me from these types of threads is to remember that airline customer service agents have to deal with jerks all the time, and so to remember that it costs nothing to be polite and respectful to them.

nancypants Mar 5, 2019 6:05 am


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30849940)
It is "TL" because the incident was complicated. Concerning the "DR," people are more than welcome to make snarky comments. It is NOT my problem that they "did not read" and hence made out of context comments.

you’re gonna have to find a way to slim it down if you want it to be read and comprehended clearly

netsurferrr Mar 5, 2019 6:06 am


Originally Posted by Nick Art (Post 30849985)
“reasonable fun with food and alcohol”
”vomited due to alcohol”

You were deemed unfit to fly (reasonably so from your story). Got rebooked to the next day. You are not due anything and your self important racist and really plain annoying behavior (including the usage of swear words and other atrocities) will not make things any better for you nor make you appear very sympathetic.

Has it ever occured to you that you may be wrong?

Learn and grow from this and move on.



PS: Can we please have this thread closed?



Here comes another "TLDR" nonsense. No, I am NOT wrong. I was in fact very fit to fly. Since when adjectives such as "despicable" "coward," etc. have become swear words?

skywardhunter Mar 5, 2019 6:07 am


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30849925)
No, it is YOU who has made it sound like that.

Actually, it was you.


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30848634)
I spent hours at the lounge and occupied myself with snacking, snipping drinks, feasting on tubs of frozen coconut yogurt

Multiple hours lounging, drinking, multiple tubs of froyo


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30848634)
I vomited into the toilet bowl inside the toilet of the airline lounge

Vomiting is never a good sign


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30848634)
took a seat right in front of the gate podium. I felt asleep because of the late scheduled departure time.

Fell asleep instantly in a loud bustling area


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30848634)
a millennial with an obnoxious attitude, showed up and proceeded to remove me from the flight. This despicable novice had the audacity to treat me with unspeakable contempt and looked at me with utter disgust, as if I had committed some kind of shameful crime. He dared to order me to shut up when I asked him for clarifications, with a physical separation of at least 5 meters between him and I deliberately maintained by me for my personal safety

Millenial, obnoxious, despicable, novice, audacity, contempt, disgust... where to begin. you asked for clarifications, translation: you were argumentative and disagreeable, physical separation of 5 metres, translation: you refused to cooperate or go with him, he felt like you were trying to run away


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30848634)
for having reasonable fun with food, drinks and other inedible premium amenities like Colin Brettell at the airline lounge(s) but accidentally vomiting into a toilet bowl in a male toilet stall

Maybe not so reasonable? You made the vomiting sound intentional earlier with how it made you feel better. Why does it matter that it's a male toilet stall?


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30848634)
The matter must be properly handled and resolved with the most deserving attention and complete satisfaction.

I am completely satisfied.

netsurferrr Mar 5, 2019 6:10 am


Originally Posted by ajeleonard (Post 30850007)
These type of threads tend to pop up on Flyertalk every so often. Someone has worked themselves up into a frenzy of self-righteousness and a persecution fantasy based on an incident which is usually objectively largely their own fault.

In the process of recounting their 'experience' they usually reveal certain unpleasant personality characteristics (e.g. racial or other prejudices) which give an insight into how they got themselves into their situation in the first place.

Then naturally they will lash out at anyone who questions or challenges their position, and generally fails to reinforce their own sense of victim hood. Capitalization and/or excessive use of exclamation marks is used to emphasize their combative approach.

The real takeaway for me from these types of threads is to remember that airline customer service agents have to deal with jerks all the time, and so to remember that it costs nothing to be polite and respectful to them.

What fantasy? Like the lounge manager lied about me escaping from and running from the lounge? Like the United Airlines check-in supervisor clearly knew that I was not at all intoxicated and incoherent on the morning of 19 June 2018? Well, it is exclusively "TLDR" fantasy.

Nick Art Mar 5, 2019 6:16 am


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30850010)
Here comes another "TLDR" nonsense. No, I am NOT wrong. I was in fact very fit to fly. Since when adjectives such as "despicable" "coward," etc. have become swear words?

Well I disagree and luckily it is not your call to deem somebody (including yourself) fir to fly. Furthermore just because you think you are right does not automatically mean you are. But since you won’t subcome to counter opinions, I will ask you a simple question: Is this whole hateful fuzz really worth your time?

They were meant offensively to degarde the person they were applied on, thus fitting the definition of swear words/crude language.


Originally Posted by ajeleonard (Post 30850007)
The real takeaway for me from these types of threads is to remember that airline customer service agents have to deal with jerks all the time, and so to remember that it costs nothing to be polite and respectful to them.

Additionally to that, I would like to point out that OP somehow managed to assign himself seat 4A as advanced seats reservation, despite that seat being reserved for Sen/HONs. I wonder how.

skywardhunter Mar 5, 2019 6:25 am


Originally Posted by Nick Art (Post 30850039)
subcome

Sorry to be a grammar nazi, succumb

netsurferrr Mar 5, 2019 6:31 am


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 30850012)
Actually, it was you.


Multiple hours lounging, drinking, multiple tubs of froyo


Vomiting is never a good sign


Fell asleep instantly in a loud bustling area


Millenial, obnoxious, despicable, novice, audacity, contempt, disgust... where to begin. you asked for clarifications, translation: you were argumentative and disagreeable, physical separation of 5 metres, translation: you refused to cooperate or go with him, he felt like you were trying to run away


Maybe not so reasonable? You made the vomiting sound intentional earlier with how it made you feel better. Why does it matter that it's a male toilet stall?


I am completely satisfied.

Actually, it is you, with your false interpretation.

What is so wrong about "lounging" a lounge, like looking at the magazine rack, helping myself at the buffet, gawking at the TV, and then spending most of the time surfing the web?

Yea right, people falling asleep at busy transport interchanges is such a big deal. I wonder what all the sleep pods at the airport are for then.

Such incident had NEVER personally happened to me before. The "millennial novice" indeed treated me with "disgust" and "contempt." I in fact followed him automatically after he had arrived "to escort me," but he gave me a boatload of attitude when I asked him what would happen next. He actually demanded me to stay a certain spot at the arrival gate, and he knew I would never run away. The interaction between he and I was TOTALLY opposite to the scenario depicted in the video below.

A woman missed her flight at the boarding gate HKIA

skywardhunter Mar 5, 2019 6:41 am


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30850087)
What is so wrong about "lounging" a lounge, like looking at the magazine rack, helping myself at the buffet, gawking at the TV, and then spending most of the time surfing the web?

So you weren't drinking?


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30850087)
Yea right, people falling asleep at busy transport interchanges are such a big deal. I wonder what all the sleep pods at the airport are for then.

I must've misread. I thought you fell asleep on a seat in front of a busy boarding gate, it wasn't clear from your writing that you were in fact in a sleep pod.

netsurferrr Mar 5, 2019 6:42 am


Originally Posted by Nick Art (Post 30850039)


Well I disagree and luckily it is not your call to deem somebody (including yourself) fir to fly. Furthermore just because you think you are right does not automatically mean you are. But since you won’t subcome to counter opinions, I will ask you a simple question: Is this whole hateful fuzz really worth your time?

They were meant offensively to degarde the person they were applied on, thus fitting the definition of swear words/crude language.



Additionally to that, I would like to point out that OP somehow managed to assign himself seat 4A as advanced seats reservation, despite that seat being reserved for Sen/HONs. I wonder how.







My original complete flight itinerary with return flights included Thai segments. All seat assignments can be made on the Thai online flight reservation management page.

Why should I "succumb" to the counter arguments because people find the lies of Thai and Swiss employees completely palatable? I would not have been deemed "unfit" to fly if the manager of the Thai lounge lied to the other parties that I escaped from / ran out of the lounge like a drunk student during a Florida spring break. I walked out of the lounge when I realize it was around 2230. Another employee from the Hong Kong Airport Services told me they had received a report concerning me in the exact wording.

How can Swiss lie some more in order to relief itself from liabilities? I was NOT drunk and intoxicated on the morning of 19 June 2018. The United employee I interacted with on that morning clearly knew that, and she laughed with good humor and said "they threw you off the plane just for this?" In my original post, the flight purser on my rebooked Swiss flight heard my entire story. His response was like "oh" and immediately proceeded to give me a free wifi voucher because he said that was the only goodwill gesture he could provide at that very moment.

LondonElite Mar 5, 2019 6:56 am


Originally Posted by nancypants (Post 30849912)
Please can we have a TLDR version? Thanks

OP spent hours in a TG lounge drinking and eating too much frozen yogurt. He then threw up in the lounge's toilet. While waiting to board his LX flight, he fell asleep in the gate area. Gate and airline staff deemed him unfit to fly, and he was eventually accommodated the following day (incurring some costs along the way). OP is very upset at the treatment he received as is in the process of complaining to a variety of regulatory bodies, including, bizarrely, the Better Business Bureau of New York.

netsurferrr Mar 5, 2019 6:57 am


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 30850114)
So you weren't drinking?


I must've misread. I thought you fell asleep on a seat in front of a busy boarding gate, it wasn't clear from your writing that you were in fact in a sleep pod.

I had some drinks BUT actually overate.

I fell asleep in front of the gate because I barely slept the night before and it was a midnight departure.

I have checked out quite a few sleep pods (NOT cocoons) at different airports out of curiosity over the years. It is not quiet to sleep in them with the noises around unless you are exhausted. Some sleeping beanie bags are situated on some mezzanines at AMS. The locations are not exactly quiet.

LondonElite Mar 5, 2019 6:58 am


Originally Posted by netsurferrr (Post 30850010)
Since when adjectives such as "despicable" "coward," etc. have become swear words?

My apologies in advance in case English is not your first language, but your OP in the initial thread is difficult to read because of excessive hyperbole and stilted language. It would help your 'cause' a great deal if you would edit much of this out and slimline it.


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