Addressing TOS violations?
Feb 26, 2002 | 7:03 am
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Addressing TOS violations?
Addressing TOS violations? I hope so!
Perhaps it is finally time that we should!
As was previously noted:
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Now we now have unfortunately had two fora removed from the FT Miles board.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/006510.html
Yet the "problems" persist - even on a supposedly "closed" section of the board!
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When is enough, enough already?
What should be done about this "stuff"?
IMHO, it IS surely now well past the time to do something!
So as they say in the oft repeated and sometimes even repulsive NIKE ads, "Just do it!"
Just a suggestion!
LETS ALL PLEASE collectively work to keep FT the great place that it has been!
Perhaps it is finally time that we should!
As was previously noted:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Dorian:
I am unsure what caused it, possibly the downtime of the FT server, but this has become crazy!
Firstly, while some may not like Doc's many posts and smilies they are not required reading and can easily be skipped.
NJDavid has continued his thrashing of Doc and has violated the FT TOS with this text:
However, between doing that, he is a sniveling little man with a mean streak that far exceeds his size, and has caused unnecessary pain to one too many on this forum.
The thread the text lies within is IMO in very poor taste and not in the spirit of FT.
It is located here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/004327.html
I mean this with no bias. I don't appreciate the incredible lack of respect for another FT'er.
...and...
While I have never met essxjay I have always enjoyed her posts and was glad when she became a moderator.
However, her snapfest on Doc today was quite extreme IMO and a clear violation of FT TOS:
doc = the ultimate troll.
Knock it off, doc! FT'ers have access to newspapers, offline as well as online. We don't need you to republish info from other sources.
You are an unbelievable jerk!
The post is in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/004374.html
No, I am not the some FT TOS enforcer, I just don't like seeing good people get slandered on FT.
Maybe essxjay doesn't want to be a moderator any more? Dunno?
Dorian
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I am unsure what caused it, possibly the downtime of the FT server, but this has become crazy!
Firstly, while some may not like Doc's many posts and smilies they are not required reading and can easily be skipped.
NJDavid has continued his thrashing of Doc and has violated the FT TOS with this text:
However, between doing that, he is a sniveling little man with a mean streak that far exceeds his size, and has caused unnecessary pain to one too many on this forum.
The thread the text lies within is IMO in very poor taste and not in the spirit of FT.
It is located here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/004327.html
I mean this with no bias. I don't appreciate the incredible lack of respect for another FT'er.
...and...
While I have never met essxjay I have always enjoyed her posts and was glad when she became a moderator.
However, her snapfest on Doc today was quite extreme IMO and a clear violation of FT TOS:
doc = the ultimate troll.
Knock it off, doc! FT'ers have access to newspapers, offline as well as online. We don't need you to republish info from other sources.
You are an unbelievable jerk!
The post is in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/004374.html
No, I am not the some FT TOS enforcer, I just don't like seeing good people get slandered on FT.
Maybe essxjay doesn't want to be a moderator any more? Dunno?
Dorian
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Now we now have unfortunately had two fora removed from the FT Miles board.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/006510.html
Yet the "problems" persist - even on a supposedly "closed" section of the board!
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NJDavid:
I am sorry you don't see the difference between "a food fight in Randy's house", and someone breaking down his door and holding a kangaroo court in his living room hoping to gain credibility by standing in the light of his living room lamps - and doing it specifically and exclusively to inflict pain and damage in public (as opposed to sending an e-mail to log a legit complaint.)
I'm sorry you don't see the difference between someone willfully deciding to do that in his home, and someone only wishing to balance the testimony.
And I'm sorry that the forum was pulled (punising the whole community) instead of giving suspensions to just those involved. I would have proudly served that time out if I knew it accomplished removing the other offenders as well.
I guess Randy felt he was faced with a Solomon-like decision, and chose to go after the baby. His choices were much more clear cut from the receiving end of the attacks, I assure you.
[This message has been edited by NJDavid (edited 02-26-2002).]</font>
I am sorry you don't see the difference between "a food fight in Randy's house", and someone breaking down his door and holding a kangaroo court in his living room hoping to gain credibility by standing in the light of his living room lamps - and doing it specifically and exclusively to inflict pain and damage in public (as opposed to sending an e-mail to log a legit complaint.)
I'm sorry you don't see the difference between someone willfully deciding to do that in his home, and someone only wishing to balance the testimony.
And I'm sorry that the forum was pulled (punising the whole community) instead of giving suspensions to just those involved. I would have proudly served that time out if I knew it accomplished removing the other offenders as well.
I guess Randy felt he was faced with a Solomon-like decision, and chose to go after the baby. His choices were much more clear cut from the receiving end of the attacks, I assure you.
[This message has been edited by NJDavid (edited 02-26-2002).]</font>
When is enough, enough already?
What should be done about this "stuff"?
IMHO, it IS surely now well past the time to do something!
So as they say in the oft repeated and sometimes even repulsive NIKE ads, "Just do it!"
Just a suggestion!
LETS ALL PLEASE collectively work to keep FT the great place that it has been!
Feb 26, 2002 | 8:36 am
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. (I thought that I was posting here to a restricted board area. Sorry)
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Feb 26, 2002 | 8:51 am
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doc, I couldn't agree more. The current "fix" is laughable. I just don't understand the reluctance to enforce TOS. And most of the current issues are not even close calls, IMO. Ignoring the problem will not help. It is a very short-sighted solution to a deeper issue. Why should TalkBoard members, moderators and old-timers be exempt from the TOS?
Feb 26, 2002 | 11:26 am
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Rudi edited:
You mean you still have access to the restricted areas even though you are no longer on the board?
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">(I thought that I was posting here to a restricted board area. Sorry)</font>
Feb 26, 2002 | 12:02 pm
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As an individual who was ultimately responsible for the moderation of boards with similar issues to those faced here, I had exactly the same problem. Essentially, it comes down to some people needing to use a board like this as an extension of their own ego system. Since the Internet makes people anonymous, there is no accountability.
At the end of the process, there are only two alternatives that work. Make people accountable, by requiring that they use a paid ISP email account that is publicly accessible within their profile (and additionally have them pay a subscription fee), or close the board down completely. It isn't like the old days of the Internet, where these boards increased a company's value or threw off ad revenue adequate to even pay their costs.
My own bet, for what it's worth, is that the programming cost of converting to a paid (and accountable) subscription model will prove to be too expensive, and Webflyer will simply close the board. That's what I did, and I saved my company many thousands of dollars a month, and many headaches as well.
Sorry to be perceptually negative, but this is a business, and who would volunatarily deal with these headaches without compensation?
At the end of the process, there are only two alternatives that work. Make people accountable, by requiring that they use a paid ISP email account that is publicly accessible within their profile (and additionally have them pay a subscription fee), or close the board down completely. It isn't like the old days of the Internet, where these boards increased a company's value or threw off ad revenue adequate to even pay their costs.
My own bet, for what it's worth, is that the programming cost of converting to a paid (and accountable) subscription model will prove to be too expensive, and Webflyer will simply close the board. That's what I did, and I saved my company many thousands of dollars a month, and many headaches as well.
Sorry to be perceptually negative, but this is a business, and who would volunatarily deal with these headaches without compensation?
Feb 26, 2002 | 4:14 pm
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PremEx: I don't know if I have access to the restricted area (restricted for TalkBoard members) - as I never tried after having left (I thought that you know me better?).
I am (was) referring to the Advisory board, where I (and doc, ect) have access (were invited by Randy to join) long before Talk Board was born . ok?
I am (was) referring to the Advisory board, where I (and doc, ect) have access (were invited by Randy to join) long before Talk Board was born . ok?
Feb 26, 2002 | 4:17 pm
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Brian: as far as I know, all (or at least most) FlyerTalkers that 'doc. refers to in his posts above, are personally known to each other and are clearly identified.
At least, I personally have met all of them in person.
At least, I personally have met all of them in person.
Feb 26, 2002 | 4:28 pm
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Thank You Rudi. I was never clear on just what the difference was between the various "board" forums here. There are so many, it seems.
And knowing you resigned from TalkBoard and your strong personal viewpoints on access to restricted forums for non-participants...I was confused.
And knowing you resigned from TalkBoard and your strong personal viewpoints on access to restricted forums for non-participants...I was confused.
Feb 27, 2002 | 7:16 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cactuspete:
doc, I couldn't agree more. The current "fix" is laughable. I just don't understand the reluctance to enforce TOS. And most of the current issues are not even close calls, IMO. Ignoring the problem will not help. It is a very short-sighted solution to a deeper issue. Why should TalkBoard members, moderators and old-timers be exempt from the TOS? </font>
doc, I couldn't agree more. The current "fix" is laughable. I just don't understand the reluctance to enforce TOS. And most of the current issues are not even close calls, IMO. Ignoring the problem will not help. It is a very short-sighted solution to a deeper issue. Why should TalkBoard members, moderators and old-timers be exempt from the TOS? </font>
I do not believe that they are exempt!
Perhaps some "action" was, or is being taken?
Feb 27, 2002 | 7:38 am
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Certain FT'ers are exempt it seems from TOS and are still posting.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000031.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000031.html
Feb 27, 2002 | 1:53 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">from Flyertalks Rules, Policies and DisclaimersIdentical posts placed on more than one discussion thread. Many participants in our community are very frequent visitors and weeding through the same message in multiple locations can be frustrating, and downright annoying. Good online manners dictate that you don't post the same message more than once. The online word for posting the same message in multiple locations is "spamming." We don't allow that.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">from dictionary.com
harass Pronunciation Key (h-rs, hrs)
tr.v. harassed, harassing, harasses
1.To irritate or torment persistently.
2.To wear out; exhaust.
3.To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids. </font>
harass Pronunciation Key (h-rs, hrs)
tr.v. harassed, harassing, harasses
1.To irritate or torment persistently.
2.To wear out; exhaust.
3.To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids. </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JonNYC:
Well, you still got a bit more editing to do-- since Doc made a point of reposting the comments to about half-a-dozen other threads.
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Well, you still got a bit more editing to do-- since Doc made a point of reposting the comments to about half-a-dozen other threads.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by fly co to see the yanks:
if nothing else, i love the % (percentage) of smiley faces to actual words typed that doc uses.
(and the spelling of "thanks.")
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if nothing else, i love the % (percentage) of smiley faces to actual words typed that doc uses.
(and the spelling of "thanks.")
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
Doc, As a friendly pointer, don't you think that the only way to end useless flame wars is to stop posting to them? You know I respect and appreciate you as a member, so please don't take it personal but I think that your replies just add fuel to the fires...
After that serious note, have a great day</font>
Doc, As a friendly pointer, don't you think that the only way to end useless flame wars is to stop posting to them? You know I respect and appreciate you as a member, so please don't take it personal but I think that your replies just add fuel to the fires...
After that serious note, have a great day
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by opus17:
doc, just how many threads are you going to post this in? I think I've seen 7 so far. It is
quite annoying. [This message has been edited by opus17 (edited 02-24-2002).] </font>
doc, just how many threads are you going to post this in? I think I've seen 7 so far. It is
quite annoying. [This message has been edited by opus17 (edited 02-24-2002).] </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Counsellor:
Well, the problem is that with doc's ubiquity, they can't "easily be skipped". When you click on a thread that he's posted in, they come up whether one wants them to or not.
Broken record time: Can't we puh-leaz have a filter capability? Then those who want to enjoy the doc-fest can continue to do so, while the others won't have to.</font>
Well, the problem is that with doc's ubiquity, they can't "easily be skipped". When you click on a thread that he's posted in, they come up whether one wants them to or not.
Broken record time: Can't we puh-leaz have a filter capability? Then those who want to enjoy the doc-fest can continue to do so, while the others won't have to.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JonNYC:
Say Doc, you're certainly getting an awful lot of "mileage" out of those quotes, wouldn't you say?
Then again, at least something about this cat-flight is mileage-related.</font>
Say Doc, you're certainly getting an awful lot of "mileage" out of those quotes, wouldn't you say?
Then again, at least something about this cat-flight is mileage-related.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FewMiles:
Your post on this thread is not on-topic with the original post. You should start your own thread (one only please) and then we can keep all discussion consolidated.
Thank you, please drive through.
FewMiles..
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Your post on this thread is not on-topic with the original post. You should start your own thread (one only please) and then we can keep all discussion consolidated.
Thank you, please drive through.
FewMiles..
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TrojanHorse:
I'm with you Lisa; I can't believe there are two threads on this plus one in omni and all of them are going in full force. I guess I'm contributing to this mess but hey someone needs to say that the ones complaining are as bad as the original problem
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I'm with you Lisa; I can't believe there are two threads on this plus one in omni and all of them are going in full force. I guess I'm contributing to this mess but hey someone needs to say that the ones complaining are as bad as the original problem
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FewMiles:
doc, do you not see the irony in the nature of this post of yours?
FewMiles..</font>
doc, do you not see the irony in the nature of this post of yours?
FewMiles..</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813:
Yes I am, but not to the same extent as reading a 2 page long thread just to realize at the end that it is a year old and I just wasted my time. Would it not be less work to just create a new topic? Why spend hours for a year old one just to drag it back for a fishing expedition? Again, no flame intended and I do not want to go back and forth on this.
But now that I have finished the above, I can't resist asking why you insist on doing what you do? Can't you just take a month off and give the rest of us a breather? Or at least confine your news posts to the In The News forum? Just a suggestion. ..</font>
Yes I am, but not to the same extent as reading a 2 page long thread just to realize at the end that it is a year old and I just wasted my time. Would it not be less work to just create a new topic? Why spend hours for a year old one just to drag it back for a fishing expedition? Again, no flame intended and I do not want to go back and forth on this.
But now that I have finished the above, I can't resist asking why you insist on doing what you do? Can't you just take a month off and give the rest of us a breather? Or at least confine your news posts to the In The News forum? Just a suggestion. ..</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by blairvanhorn:
You guys obviously have some differences. But what does your post, Doc, offering NJDavid "possible aid" at the Center For Mental Health Services (U.S. Department of and Human Services) web site, and more specifically at their web site for the state New Jersey, have the least bit to do with your supposed desires to "move past the 'baloney'" and advising us "Let's ALL move on!" ?
From the "About CMHS" link on the first page of the web site you so "helpfully" provided:
CMHS is charged with leading the national system that delivers mental health services. goal of this system is to provide the treatment and support services needed by adults with mental disorders and children with serious emotional problems. Almost 50 adults in the United States are affected by mental illness in any given year, and more than 5 million adults and children are diagnosed each with a severe mental illness, such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or severe depression.
What are you trying to say here, Doc? How is this not a personal attack on another FTer? How is this "moving past the baloney" and "moving on"?
I don't get it. And, quite honestly, I don't care for it: as you can read from the above quote from CMHS web site, millions of American adults and children are affected by mental illness in a given year, and more than 5 million are diagnosed with a severe mental illness. This is a very serious problem for our society in general, and one that has affected people close to me whom I care very much about.
Your use of serious sites such as these to further your personal attacks on someone (or was this a "joke"?) is undignified, unbecoming and unbelievable. IMHO. ..</font>
You guys obviously have some differences. But what does your post, Doc, offering NJDavid "possible aid" at the Center For Mental Health Services (U.S. Department of and Human Services) web site, and more specifically at their web site for the state New Jersey, have the least bit to do with your supposed desires to "move past the 'baloney'" and advising us "Let's ALL move on!" ?
From the "About CMHS" link on the first page of the web site you so "helpfully" provided:
CMHS is charged with leading the national system that delivers mental health services. goal of this system is to provide the treatment and support services needed by adults with mental disorders and children with serious emotional problems. Almost 50 adults in the United States are affected by mental illness in any given year, and more than 5 million adults and children are diagnosed each with a severe mental illness, such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or severe depression.
What are you trying to say here, Doc? How is this not a personal attack on another FTer? How is this "moving past the baloney" and "moving on"?
I don't get it. And, quite honestly, I don't care for it: as you can read from the above quote from CMHS web site, millions of American adults and children are affected by mental illness in a given year, and more than 5 million are diagnosed with a severe mental illness. This is a very serious problem for our society in general, and one that has affected people close to me whom I care very much about.
Your use of serious sites such as these to further your personal attacks on someone (or was this a "joke"?) is undignified, unbecoming and unbelievable. IMHO. ..</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> Originally posted by Law Lord:
Doc, I think I've run across six places (so far) where you've reposted the remarks of essxjay.
Why not just once, in the thread itself, plus an e-mail to Mr. Petersen?
If we can't collectively stamp out flame wars, let's at least hold them to one thread per war.</font>
Doc, I think I've run across six places (so far) where you've reposted the remarks of essxjay.
Why not just once, in the thread itself, plus an e-mail to Mr. Petersen?
If we can't collectively stamp out flame wars, let's at least hold them to one thread per war.</font>
[This message has been edited by NJDavid (edited 02-27-2002).]
Feb 27, 2002 | 3:07 pm
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Apparently, the matter is currently under review:
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Thanks very much, as always, Randy!
"Folks, we have something rare and good going on here. Let's try and keep it that way."
FWIW, IMHO, from my limited sense of what has lead to a possibly decreasing level of participation of "prominent" FT'ers of the past, it has been the increasing flames, bitterness and acrimony that causes it.
As I'd noted previously, politely offering a few suggestions to consider prior to criticizing other FT'ers:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000338.html
Thanks!
-Mark
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Randy Petersen:
Thanks for the support and it really does make me proud of the volunteer efforts of Craig and others.
As for other TOS violations, let's remember, when the odds are greater, there is still one little old one arm paperhanger here. When the odds are better (less people involved) i can handle that. When the odds get out of hand, it is reasonable it takes much longer to resolve. I don't want to get into jusy tossing people out - i still try and reason, explain and solicit their cooperation. Also, it takes a little time to really look at each violation to see if this is a simple moment of frustration or a pattern. For those that i've had to handle, most (except one) have handled it well. In fact Oz and CameraGuy are still my faves. Both were extrememly dissapointed but they didn't resort to name calling and all else once the message was clear. I'll keep working on all this, but remember, i only really have about 5 minutes a day to deal with this. Pause to think how i'm doing with just that 5 minutes?</font>
Thanks for the support and it really does make me proud of the volunteer efforts of Craig and others.
As for other TOS violations, let's remember, when the odds are greater, there is still one little old one arm paperhanger here. When the odds are better (less people involved) i can handle that. When the odds get out of hand, it is reasonable it takes much longer to resolve. I don't want to get into jusy tossing people out - i still try and reason, explain and solicit their cooperation. Also, it takes a little time to really look at each violation to see if this is a simple moment of frustration or a pattern. For those that i've had to handle, most (except one) have handled it well. In fact Oz and CameraGuy are still my faves. Both were extrememly dissapointed but they didn't resort to name calling and all else once the message was clear. I'll keep working on all this, but remember, i only really have about 5 minutes a day to deal with this. Pause to think how i'm doing with just that 5 minutes?</font>
Thanks very much, as always, Randy!
"Folks, we have something rare and good going on here. Let's try and keep it that way."
FWIW, IMHO, from my limited sense of what has lead to a possibly decreasing level of participation of "prominent" FT'ers of the past, it has been the increasing flames, bitterness and acrimony that causes it.
As I'd noted previously, politely offering a few suggestions to consider prior to criticizing other FT'ers:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000338.html
Thanks!
-Mark
Feb 27, 2002 | 5:15 pm
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NJDavid. Please excuse my question, but I cannot see anywhere on the FT or Webflyer site the words you embolded above: "You agree, through your use of this service, that .. etc" are indeed part of the current FT TOS. Can you point me in the correct direction if I have overlooked it? They might ONCE have been the words - that is possible, but right now, and for some time the CURRENT "rules" allegedly applying to all users of these boards say the following - any bolding being mine for emphasis, as those words seem pertinent right now:
Any posts containing communications that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, obscene, profane, threatening, harassing, offensive, vulgar, abusive, hateful or bashing -- especially those aimed at sexual orientation, gender, race, color, religious views, national origin, or disability - will not be tolerated and will be removed. Individuals who do not abide by these rules are subject to having their FlyerTalk account permanently deleted.
The current TOS goes on to say:
Personal attacks on individuals, insults and "flaming" will not be tolerated and will be removed.
and concludes with:
Is there a formal discipline policy for members who don't follow the rules?
Yes there is. Any member whose behavior causes disruption on the message boards, either because of the tone and language of their posts or their attitude toward other members, may lose their posting privileges for one week. Members who become disruptive a second time are issued a one-month timeout. A third strike results in a permanent withdrawal of the offending member's posting privileges.
I can't see that you posting "a sniveling little man with a mean streak that far exceeds his size"about another member - without apology - does not clearly contravene these rather clear-cut terms. I look forward to FT removing those words as they promise - and indeed several other personal attack phrases used recently, and these boards return to civility.
Any posts containing communications that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, obscene, profane, threatening, harassing, offensive, vulgar, abusive, hateful or bashing -- especially those aimed at sexual orientation, gender, race, color, religious views, national origin, or disability - will not be tolerated and will be removed. Individuals who do not abide by these rules are subject to having their FlyerTalk account permanently deleted.
The current TOS goes on to say:
Personal attacks on individuals, insults and "flaming" will not be tolerated and will be removed.
and concludes with:
Is there a formal discipline policy for members who don't follow the rules?
Yes there is. Any member whose behavior causes disruption on the message boards, either because of the tone and language of their posts or their attitude toward other members, may lose their posting privileges for one week. Members who become disruptive a second time are issued a one-month timeout. A third strike results in a permanent withdrawal of the offending member's posting privileges.
I can't see that you posting "a sniveling little man with a mean streak that far exceeds his size"about another member - without apology - does not clearly contravene these rather clear-cut terms. I look forward to FT removing those words as they promise - and indeed several other personal attack phrases used recently, and these boards return to civility.
Feb 27, 2002 | 8:26 pm
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FYI - the current TOS also states very clearly:
So as I've been saying, I'm in favor of all of the offenders of anysections of the TOS receiving formal dicipline. Or none of them should, as long as it's equal.
But, an offer of truce and peace has been made, and is still awaiting acceptance from all of the parties. I see now, that "all of the parties" includes you CoachClass for you have surely caused a clear violaton of the currently posted TOS in posting this and similar statements in multiple forums.
Please come join us on the wagon, delete your offending posts and pledge yourself to a future of posts allowed within the TOS.
Link to join and list your pledge
Link to the complete, current TOS
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Actions That Will Compel FlyerTalk Intervention
Inappropriate Posts
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Many participants in our community are very frequent visitors and weeding through the same message in multiple locations can be frustrating, and downright annoying. Good online manners dictate that you don't post the same message more than once. The online word for posting the same message in multiple locations is "spamming." We don't allow that.</font>
Inappropriate Posts
Off topic Posts
Off topic posts take two general forms:
Posts within a discussion thread that detract from the topic being discussed.
Topic-starting posts that are placed in an inappropriate forum. When determining in which forum to place a topic-starting post, pay close attention to the forum description.
Duplicate Posts
Identical posts placed on more than one discussion thread.
Many participants in our community are very frequent visitors and weeding through the same message in multiple locations can be frustrating, and downright annoying. Good online manners dictate that you don't post the same message more than once. The online word for posting the same message in multiple locations is "spamming." We don't allow that.</font>
But, an offer of truce and peace has been made, and is still awaiting acceptance from all of the parties. I see now, that "all of the parties" includes you CoachClass for you have surely caused a clear violaton of the currently posted TOS in posting this and similar statements in multiple forums.
Please come join us on the wagon, delete your offending posts and pledge yourself to a future of posts allowed within the TOS.
Link to join and list your pledge
Link to the complete, current TOS
Mar 1, 2002 | 1:54 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by essxjay:
Look CoachClass,
My posts aimed at doc are _not_ defamitory or abusive. They are are on target.
He is infamatory, abusive (to NJDavid - long-time member of FT), and to me.
How cares if whether I'm a moderator? Don't I have the right to reject a post?
If not, I quit.
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Look CoachClass,
My posts aimed at doc are _not_ defamitory or abusive. They are are on target.
He is infamatory, abusive (to NJDavid - long-time member of FT), and to me.
How cares if whether I'm a moderator? Don't I have the right to reject a post?
If not, I quit.
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What can I say?
Another sad day, IMHO, for FT and FT'ers!
Have a wonderful weekend ALL!
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