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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Randy Petersen: OK, you got my attention. It's my turn now and then some of us will go back to the intent of FlyerTalk - the content. Others won't come back at all. First of all, welcome to FlyerTalk. It's nice that you have been able to join us and hopefully get some value of the information posted on FlyerTalk. When you joined us to actively post, FlyerTalk was almost three years old and over that time we've had to rely on a number of members to help FlyerTalk grow. Doc is one of them. By my use of the word "grow" you will probably have your own ideas by now. However, time and time again i've seem Doc help a new member by digging out of the past an amazing ability to find and know where a particular thread is. It's these moments that i appreciate the value of a member like Doc. As to his overposting as you might say. There is a reality that all members of frequent flyer programs are not the same. For some they don't get excited about miles and points at all. for others - they become superfans and all activited have them - sports, NASCAR, politics, etc. Doc is our superfan and frankly, there is room for him on FlyerTalk. Of the estimated 35,000 posts that Doc has made, I've honestly can't tell you how many of them I've read - perhaps only a few hudred. Doesn't mean i don't like what he posts. It simply means that i read for content and strange at it may be, rarely look at who posted the content. I started FlyerTalk because I was interested in what others had to say, and like some of the others, can't get enough of comment and information. Doc doesn't not annoy me with his posts. Because as I've said, i focus less on the person posting than i do on the comment. Are some of Doc's posts soft? Sure, but to that list might be some of yours and mine and probably just about every other member than Rudi or QuietLion (they do really good stuff). FlyerTalk is a bit like the real world - we learn to take it for what value it offers us and for me, spend less energy trying to make it perfect for me. I will only take action on Doc's posts if they are out of line with our TOC or if I think that as part of a confrontation with other members might need a cooling off period. At this moment, I see no reason to take any action of Doc, and in fact may go find something he's recently posted and enjoy it. To quote gleff "* It's clear that Randy values Doc's contributions. That should end the story." I think it does end the story for now.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Fine. Very clear. You have not addressed the specific issue of Doc adding to existing threads with updates (causing others to have to re-read the entire thread thinking it is a new thread) but so be it. I will shut up, and just continue enjoying the non-Doc content. Thank you.</font> I am thoroughly in support of Doc's practice of adding to an existing thread when there is new information on its topic rather than starting a new one. It is far easier for me, at least, to find information on a topic when it's all in one place rather than reading a new thread and hunting for its predecessor or reading an older one (that was bumped up by a recent post by someone else) and wondering if there might be a news update posted someplace. I believe most people who want to read about a topic would agree. The only downside seems to be that one might open an older thread that has just been updated, thinking it is a new one. However, good topic lines (most of his are good) make this unlikely. If one is interested in a topic, and the thread contains new information even if it was started some time ago, it's not a problem. If one is not interested in the topic, one needn't open a thread even if it looks new. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by B Watson: DOC is a free clipping engine - he is the archive of FT and adds incredible value by contributing so much time to this effort. Thank you doc for making FT a more valuable resource!</font> The reason I think this would be better is that due to the huge amount of posts and clippings that are generated on a daily basis, posts from other members sometimes get pushed onto page 5 or 6 of a forum in a very short time after they are first posted, thereby not giving enough time for many members to see and contribute. This has happened to many of us in the past, and just leads for a longer exchange of ideas and information. Also, its generates the need for me to go have to look for that thread on that obscure page, and post a little value 'bump' post to try to get everyones attention again. Yes, there are those lights and you can see from the color of the folder if there is a new or old post, but lets get real... how many of us actually go past the first 1 or 2 pages of posts on each forum? ------------------ Gaucho100K |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Randy Petersen: OK, you got my attention. It's my turn now and then some of us will go back to the intent of FlyerTalk - the content. Others won't come back at all. First of all, welcome to FlyerTalk. It's nice that you have been able to join us and hopefully get some value of the information posted on FlyerTalk. When you joined us to actively post, FlyerTalk was almost three years old and over that time we've had to rely on a number of members to help FlyerTalk grow. Doc is one of them. By my use of the word "grow" you will probably have your own ideas by now. However, time and time again i've seem Doc help a new member by digging out of the past an amazing ability to find and know where a particular thread is. It's these moments that i appreciate the value of a member like Doc. As to his overposting as you might say. There is a reality that all members of frequent flyer programs are not the same. For some they don't get excited about miles and points at all. for others - they become superfans and all activited have them - sports, NASCAR, politics, etc. Doc is our superfan and frankly, there is room for him on FlyerTalk. Of the estimated 35,000 posts that Doc has made, I've honestly can't tell you how many of them I've read - perhaps only a few hudred. Doesn't mean i don't like what he posts. It simply means that i read for content and strange at it may be, rarely look at who posted the content. I started FlyerTalk because I was interested in what others had to say, and like some of the others, can't get enough of comment and information. Doc doesn't not annoy me with his posts. Because as I've said, i focus less on the person posting than i do on the comment. Are some of Doc's posts soft? Sure, but to that list might be some of yours and mine and probably just about every other member than Rudi or QuietLion (they do really good stuff). FlyerTalk is a bit like the real world - we learn to take it for what value it offers us and for me, spend less energy trying to make it perfect for me. I will only take action on Doc's posts if they are out of line with our TOC or if I think that as part of a confrontation with other members might need a cooling off period. At this moment, I see no reason to take any action of Doc, and in fact may go find something he's recently posted and enjoy it. To quote gleff "* It's clear that Randy values Doc's contributions. That should end the story." I think it does end the story for now.</font> --- Thanks very much for kindly responding to this issue, Randy! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif FWIW, I too have had many of my posts pushed down and off page one, but I do not view it as a problem, per se! Rather, it's the way of the FT boards, and the world, no? I do not feel that I truly need, nor even remotely want, my own section- if anyone cares! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Over what will soon be four years now, I've seemingly provided about 2.5% of the posted content on FT, based only upon post numbers. I'm nothing more than a regular, typical member, albeit it, admittedly, a very enthusiastic one! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif As noted elsewhere, Gaucho, the recent OMNI post scenario, in which many posts were "buried," was a bit "artificial" in that it was essentially "manufactured" as a protest by several members, by their own admission. Yet, FT has surely grown, and in OMNI now, if you examine, for example, the last 10 days of posts alone, you'll see that there are virtually 18 pages, or approximately 450 specific thread titles posted! So nearly two full pages worth of titles occur each and every day! I do not do 'em all! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Today there are 27 titles dated 11/7 thusfar today at just past midday. I started just one! It was pushed off to page two in only about five hours! Wow! It's an unusal day! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Of course, it would be my "fault!" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Have a great day all! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: FWIW, I too have had many of my posts pushed down and off page one, but I do not view it as a problem, per se! Rather, it's the way of the FT boards, and the world, no?</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I do not feel that I truly need, nor even remotely want, my own section- if anyone cares!</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Over what will soon be four years now, I've seemingly provided about 2.5% of the posted content on FT, based only upon post numbers.</font> CNN and NYTimes seemingly, sadly, have provided about a percent each. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redface.gif <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">As noted elsewhere, Gaucho, the recent OMNI post scenario, in which many posts were "buried," was a bit "artificial" in that it was essentially "manufactured" as a protest by several members, by their own admission.</font> FewMiles.. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: Today there are 27 titles dated 11/7 thusfar today at just past midday. I started just one! It was pushed off to page two in only about five hours! Wow! It's an unusal day! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif</font> |
Doc, for crying out lound, Im not trying to start a food fight.
Again, I think that specific forums should be created for all FTers (that includes You but does not exclude others) that do us the great service of cutting and pasting news. That way, insignificant posts like mine would not get buried and I could get my answers without having to spend hours digging.... I would be very interested to hear why this solution would be a problem to you and to others. Thank you very much. Randy, whats your take on this? ------------------ Gaucho100K |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Efrem: I am thoroughly in support of Doc's practice of adding to an existing thread when there is new information on its topic rather than starting a new one. It is far easier for me, at least, to find information on a topic when it's all in one place rather than reading a new thread and hunting for its predecessor or reading an older one (that was bumped up by a recent post by someone else) and wondering if there might be a news update posted someplace. I believe most people who want to read about a topic would agree.</font> I don't understand why anyone feels they have to read through all the pages before figuring out that it might be an update to an old thread. Check the date on the first page....that should tell you right off the bat. Then you can determine whether you want to read the whole thing. I usually just skip to the last page and find what was recently posted. Sometimes I go back to read the rest, sometimes not. This isn't rocket science here. It is just part of the online forum world. Learn how to sort through the topics and threads to find what interests you and be done with it. Constantly badgering a member because you don't like how he posts, even when it has been repeatedly stated that it is acceptable, is just plain wrong. I certainly hope this is not why Doc has been absent lately. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif [This message has been edited by tazi (edited 11-10-2002).] |
I have known doc for a long time now and, while I certainly haven't read all of his posts, I do not recall any that were in intended to put anyone else down or hurt anyone else's feelings. He posts (granted a lot) about things that interest him that might interest others. If his posts interest you, read them. If not, skip them.
Bulletin boards are healthy when all posters share ideas that interest them. Bulletin boards become unhealthy when some members take it upon themselves to attack, insult, chastise and/or stalk other members with negative intent. FlyerTalk would be a wonderful place if all posters focused their posts on those things that truly interest them, rather than trying to break other people down. If someone gets to the point that the only thing that interests him/her is hurting someone else, it is probably time to do some serious soul searching. I personally think that FlyerTalk would be a much better place if the focus of the moderators was to stop personal attacks, rather than making sure that every posts was in exactly the right place (whatever that is). [This message has been edited by Punki (edited 11-10-2002).] |
Punki,
I REALLY do not think that YOU should be giving the moderators any tips. |
Camera Guy, you have made it abundantly clear that you don't like me and quite honestly, it really doesn't matter to me in the least. I don't even know you and certainly bear you no grudge.
If it makes you truly happy to continue to attack me and my posts, by all means, go for it. It would seem to me, however, that it should be fairly easy for you to find lot more interesting and rewarding forms of entertainment. You might try travel, for instance. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif [This message has been edited by Punki (edited 11-10-2002).] |
Out of respect for Punki I've edited my post, but doesn't it make you laugh that within minutes the usual suspect is here to add some fuel? Sure seems that where theres smoke theres oz...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC: All just my opinion trying to do my little part to keep this a nice, fun place ...</font> ROTFLMAO. |
Flame wars? Who needs stinkin' flame wars when you have your own personal axis of evil to blame for all the troubles?
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C'mon Few Miles .. even I know ScottC is Dutch - and NOT an Iraqui, Iranian or North Korean. And you are Canadian. I think? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
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