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Is this a valid RTW itin or am I backtracking?

Old Aug 27, 19, 3:08 am
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Is this a valid RTW itin or am I backtracking?

Hi all

I'm currently trying to piece together a *A business class itinerary and looking at ways to get from HKG back to SYD. SQ and OZ have no availability in the required class, and I'm very keen to avoid TG's mediocre hard product on the 744s.

I'd be happy to fly via AKL on NZ, but I'll also have transited through (but not stopped at) AKL on my way eastbound to the US, so would that count as backtracking? Or is it OK as long as I'm within the mileage limit.

Proposed itinerary is:
SYD-AKL-LAX-EWR-LHR-IST-TPE-HKG-AKL-SYD (stops are in EWR, LHR, TPE and HKG).
Great Circle Mapper

I need to fly NZ en route to the US to get enough NZ metal status points, so unfortunately changing that isn't an option. I guess NH via HND is another potential choice for the return to SYD...

Thanks
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Old Aug 27, 19, 3:32 am
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I haven't done a *A RTW in a good few years and my copy of the rules dates from 2014. I can't seem to find the discussion of 'continuous direction'. However, since AKL and SYD are both within Area 3, perhaps your proposal wouldn't be backtracking?

Alternatively, have you looked at CA, NH or OZ? HKG-pek-SYD, HKG-nrt-SYD and HKG-icn-SYD are all shorter than HKG-akl-SYD anyway, as far as your mileage limit is concerned.

Good luck.
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Old Aug 27, 19, 5:56 am
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Originally Posted by henry999 View Post
I haven't done a *A RTW in a good few years and my copy of the rules dates from 2014. I can't seem to find the discussion of 'continuous direction'. However, since AKL and SYD are both within Area 3, perhaps your proposal wouldn't be backtracking?

Alternatively, have you looked at CA, NH or OZ? HKG-pek-SYD, HKG-nrt-SYD and HKG-icn-SYD are all shorter than HKG-akl-SYD anyway, as far as your mileage limit is concerned.

Good luck.
Thanks for the response. NH is indeed an option I've considered - that's probably my plan B right now. I'd cheerfully fly OZ, but as noted there's just no availability in the fare class I need any time around my dates. (I too haven't booked a *A RTW in a long time... and wow they are so much harder these days now that they book into much more discounted fare classes.

I could indeed fly CA via PEK or CTU but the connections are really long and transiting through mainland Chinese airports generally isn't much fun (and the lounges are lousy) so I'd probably place that even below TG on my list in terms of desirability.

In terms of mileage, I'll be on 29K ticket so I actually have plenty to work with.

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Old Aug 27, 19, 7:50 am
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There is no back-tracking rule within a region - For example you could fly YUL-YVR-EWR-LAS-SJU.

Yes, you can transit twice through the same city.

Another option from HKG to SYD would be via BR ( transit in TPE - permitted even after your stop there).

Best way to validate your itinerary is to plug it into the Star-Alliance web site.
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Old Aug 27, 19, 8:29 am
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I am just on an F RTW with a similar routing (HND-FRA-JNB-ZRH-STR-FRA-LAX-PEK-HKG-BKK-HND).
I am also going back from BKK to TYO. In my experience you can do anything inside each of the 3 areas (in this case Asia/Australia...) as long as you don't exceed the maximum mileage, don't stop twice in one city and don't go thru the starting point to somewhere else at the end.
There are more rules, but I tend to believe your original itinerary should work.
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Old Aug 27, 19, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by IluvSQ View Post
There is no back-tracking rule within a region - For example you could fly YUL-YVR-EWR-LAS-SJU.

Yes, you can transit twice through the same city.

Another option from HKG to SYD would be via BR ( transit in TPE - permitted even after your stop there).

Best way to validate your itinerary is to plug it into the Star-Alliance web site.
Thanks for comments re routing within a region.

I would love to fly BR... but sadly they don't fly to SYD, only to BNE

Yes, I should probably do that on the *A website, but I find that tool quite infuriating!
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Old Aug 27, 19, 9:03 am
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Originally Posted by Unterwegs View Post
I am just on an F RTW with a similar routing (HND-FRA-JNB-ZRH-STR-FRA-LAX-PEK-HKG-BKK-HND).
I am also going back from BKK to TYO. In my experience you can do anything inside each of the 3 areas (in this case Asia/Australia...) as long as you don't exceed the maximum mileage, don't stop twice in one city and don't go thru the starting point to somewhere else at the end.
There are more rules, but I tend to believe your original itinerary should work.
Good to know. Thank you!
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